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NewAgeThinker Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 09:06 AM
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Why Don't Americans Discuss The Root Of Problems Instead Of Mocking It's Symptoms?
I posted this journal in the economy section because it's an issue that creates ripple effects in the economy.

Offshoring:
I see so many here on DU and all throughout the U.S. giving very little to the issue of offshoring. Mostly I see a majority of people just mocking India's IT Support centers, as if that will ever solve any problem. They talk about India's economy, mock their Call Center industry and so on and so forth, but I only see a minority of people talking about the real issue, which is billion dollar public companies offshoring american jobs to India.

It's incredible that a nation decides that instead of putting blame where it's due, to mock.
What could possibly be the driving force behind this idiodicy? Is it racism, bigotry, lack of intelligence, or just plain opting to mock a foreign nation instead of an american company. Perhaps it's a mixture of everything.

But it really needs to stop, doesn't make americans look like the brightest, it doesn't at all solve the problem and will only allow the problem to grow.
These billion dollar public companies must be very happy that their customers(you) decided to take the least intelligent path on discussing the issue.


Illegal Immigration:
Same thing here, how many do I see talking about border security, or immigration laws or any of the real causes behind the issue.
I mostly see people just mocking mexicans, calling them racist names, reffering to every mexican as a gangbanger or things of the sort.
It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever and again I completely fail to see why people that consider themselves strong-minded opt to take such a course of opinion.
Opting for mockery whatever race is the facade of the symptom of the issue rather than discussing the root of the problem which is very much domestic.
Small minded bigotry instead of intelligent discussion.

There are people talking about the root of the problem, but I cannot see them, i've tried, as representing the majority of people.
Their voice only represents a minority.

Is this what our nation has become?


War On Terroism:
This issue here really sheds some light on the topic at hand.
I'm not sure whether the anti-war crowd represents the majority, or it's those that use the word towel head, sand or hoggie that is the majority of the nation.
But I do think that a subsection of the nation does take the latter approach, and that's soldiers.

Since europeans colonized this country where they called the natives savages to maintain a pro-mission sentiment, to today where they commanding officers use words like towel heads, hodgies(however you spell it) or sand to describe the country which they invade.

You'll never have, understandingly somewhat, commanding officers or rarely soldiers talking about blowback, illegal invasions, bush's lies, war-profiteering, christian-crusading being spoke from them.

And if they do..... "Send them to the brig" is the usual response that you'll hear.

Is that what it is?

Whoever's support is the main direct necessary ingredient of the initiative must be somehow fooled into focusing on the facade of the problem that is painted to them and the majority of people fall for it instead of intelligently discussing the root of the problem?

That's it? Was it that easy for them to fool an entire nation?
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 09:14 AM
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1. Yes, a lack of education that teaches critical thinking coupled with a duplicitous media that
promotes a particular agenda can certainly fool an awful lot of people into falling in line.

"Iraq was behind 9/11!" Really?

"Grandma will be put to death!" Seriously?

As long as people suck in whatever information they are sold through the media without doing more research on their own and thinking the whole thing through, then yeah. We'll continue to be in this sorry state.

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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 09:50 AM
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2. Yes and no
Offshoring, YES draining the nation for the benefit of more profits for those who already have more than enough, oh and avoiding taxes too.

War on Terrorism, YES a ruse to allow for massive siphoning of US Treasury into the hands of profiteering corporations, AND excuse to diminish civil rights. Yep, destroying America under the banner of protecting America

Now re Illegal Immigration, I soundly reject.

Illegal Immigration is NOT a root cause of anything. It is a symptom of that root cause of greed and injustice. The problem is NOT illegal immigrants, but the greedy bastards who exploit them for excessive personal profit.

Illegal Immigration is just offshoring for those who don't want to learn another language or are too cheap to hire another level of management that speaks another language. It is also for cheap bastards who want to 'offshore/outsource' jobs which cannot be done in another physical location. The root is the same as offshoring/outsourcing.

Illegal immigration is NOT a root cause. It is just another facet of the exploitation of the many by the few who have more than enough yet can never be sated.
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NewAgeThinker Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 10:30 AM
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3. I agree
And that's what I was saying too
The root cause is weak border security and perhaps yes, the people who employ them, but not as much
you say those employers are part of the problem, that is slightly true
but what's the issue with that, is it that illegal immigrants don't pay income tax?
Well Guess what, no american should, it's illegal to force it upon you.
So I guess with that Illegal Immigrants are model americans aren't they?

Look at this for example
Most unsettling for many, especially El Paso police officials, was that both González and the man accused of ordering his killing turned out to be ranking drug traffickers from the notorious Juarez cartel, as well as informers for the U.S. government.

"So this is how these people end up in our country," said El Paso police Lt. Alfred Lowe, the lead homicide detective and a 29-year veteran whose team made the arrests in the González case. "We bring them here."

As a spectacular wave of drug violence washes over Mexico, the Obama administration, the U.S. Congress and leaders in the Southwest states are spending billions of dollars and massing thousands of agents to keep the chaos from crossing the border. But in order to fight the drug traffickers, federal anti-narcotics agents have brought Mexican cartel members north of the border, to use them to gather intelligence and build cases.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/26/AR2009082603768.html?nav=emailpage


But when people speak of this you mostly don't hear that


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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 11:38 AM
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5. Border security is NOT a root cause! It is lax enforcement of laws on employers!
It is ALWAYS rooted in greed. If cheap, greedy bastards did not leave people in such dire straits in Mexico, people could live there. If cheap, greedy bastards here did not dangle a slightly better pay check, the hoards would not come.

It is NOT about the border. It is about avarice and social injustice being so institutionalized that most don't even notice it.
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ExPatLeftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 10:43 AM
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4. Excellent points!
I am amazed at those that would blame the populace of a nation, not only for crappy things that their government does, but also for the crappy thing OUR government does to us that happen to benefit that populace.

It's a disconnect.

I see this as part of a larger problem: So many Americans tend to lump other nations together while still claiming our own individuality. This is evidenced constantly on the news, etc. in simple phrases such as "...the Iraqi people think that..." - so attributing a thought to an entire nation whereas we are quick to say that yeah, Bush "won" the election, but don't blame me - I didn't vote for him!

It's a total double standard, and we need to get away from trying to personify nations unless we want to also accept what other nations would want to personify us as.
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Jkid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 04:09 PM
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6. If they did dicuss the root cause of the problems,,,
The politicians will be forced to solve them, and then our politicians will be out of a job. IMO, politicians usually maintain problems with band-aids.
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