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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 09:45 PM
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New York Explosion Shakes US Confidence In Infrastructure. $1.6 trillion Price Tag Anticipated.
Edited on Thu Jul-19-07 09:46 PM by NNadir
NEW YORK - With a blast that made skyscrapers tremble, an 83-year-old steam pipe sent a powerful message that the miles of tubes, wires and iron beneath New York and other U.S. cities are getting older and could become dangerously unstable.

The steam conduit that exploded beneath a Manhattan street at the height of rush hour Wednesday, just a block from Grand Central Terminal, was laid when Calvin Coolidge was president, and was part of a system that began providing energy to city buildings in 1882...

..."This may be a warning sign for this very old network of pipe that we have," said Anil Agrawal, a professor of civil engineering at the City College of New York. "We should not be looking at this incident as an isolated one..."

...The American Society of Civil Engineers estimates that it will take $1.6 trillion over the next five years to get the nation's roads, bridges, dams, water systems and airports into good condition...

...Some New Yorkers have had enough...



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070720/ap_on_re_us/manhattan_explosion;_ylt=AhT9vSQFC3NvRE2j9RISldRI2ocA

Ironically, I have been told by at least one person today that this matter is "no big deal," and that the matter is not likely to cost much.

Can you imagine?

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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 09:47 PM
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1. But we must spend that 1.6 trillion on bu$h's wars
Just imagine what the money spent on useless wars could do for our country including upgrading infrastructure in cities like New York and Philadelphia.

We spend trillions to create bombs to drop over there so our streets can blow up over here because we don't have the trillions.
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 10:01 PM
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6. I absolutely agree with this statement.
The replaced infrastructure moreover would represent an investment that would give a return.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 09:49 PM
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2. Meanwhile, $10 billion a month is going into the Iraq War....
... and when the big Petroleum crunch finally does come, and America's pathetic non-auto/airplane transportation infrastructure is exposed, we are beyond f**ked.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 09:52 PM
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3. Failing infrastructure
is a big concern here in California, too. There was a lot of talk about our hundreds of miles of levees after Katrina, but not much has happened since. If we have a major flood here it might not result in the loss of life that Katrina did but it will do billions of dollars of damage to agriculture. The Central Valley feeds a whole lot of people and we're not just talking about oranges.

But hey, we've got to 'win' in Iraq. Who needs food anyway?

Mz Pip
:dem:
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Drum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 09:54 PM
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4. Hmmm...huge budget surplus at end of Clinton/Gore term,
and couldn't we have been strengthening our nation by creating a zillion jobs and doing them right here?

Imagine the public works projects that could be happening here, employing so many and reinvesting in our country.

:cry:
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 02:13 PM
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11. But how would we ever have funded all those wonderful tax cuts?
Someone needs to get his priorities straight. :sarcasm:
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 09:54 PM
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5. Someone said it would be cheap??? Ho, ho, ho.
Con Ed is never cheap.
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 10:02 PM
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7. Yeah. Someone told me on this website that the matter was no big deal.
I'm serious.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 10:24 PM
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8. Republican mayors certainly haven't helped NYC
Rudy !!!
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 10:28 PM
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9. Good point.
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One_Life_To_Give Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 10:16 AM
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10. Look on the brite side
At the same time as we replace all the 80+ yr old steam pipes etc. We can finally split the sanitary and storm sewers. And if we were truly smart. Rather than re-bury pipes in the ground. Enclose them in a accessible mechanical space under all roads. So in the future we can perform routine maintenance and upgrades without having to tear other things apart.
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