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4dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 06:59 PM
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Carbon-Free and Nuclear-Free: A Roadmap for U.S. Energy Policy
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Ok who agrees??

Why zero carbon emissions? Not even the boldest proposals have called for zero emissions, even defined as you do as a few percentage points of CO2 emissions on either side of zero. We understand the necessity to sharply reduce carbon emissions to safe limits and to reverse the carbon excess in the environment. Still, why zero emissions? Is this simply a means to draw attention to the problem where substantial reductions rather than zero emissions would solve the multiple problems associated with the present profligate fossil fuel and other nonrenewable energy consumption? Does the demand for zero emissions not risk alienating potential support for a feasible program of sharp reductions?


The United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change requires the burden of reductions to be borne with present and past inequities taken into account. At the very least, this will mean that any CO2 emissions that are allowed would be allocated on a per person basis.




At the same time, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has estimated that if temperature rise by mid-century is to be limited to less than 2 to 2.4 degrees Celsius, it will be necessary to reduce global CO2 emissions by 50 to 85 percent. The former number (a 50 percent reduction in emissions) corresponds to a 15 percent chance that the temperature rise will be limited to that range; the latter (an 85 percent reduction in emissions) an 85 percent chance. If the remaining CO2 emissions are allocated on a per person basis, and we assume that we will need a reduction of 50 percent in CO2 emissions, the United States will have to reduce its emissions by 88 percent. At this level, it will still be very likely that we will not be able to meet the temperature rise limit. For that we must reduce global emissions by 85 percent. The U.S. goal, given its world-leading position in CO2 emissions, would then have to be 96 percent. This is operationally the same as zero-CO2 emissions. (I assume a global population of 9 billion and a U.S. population of 420 million in the year 2050).





The other reason to actually go to 100 percent elimination is that climate change is shaping up to be more severe than estimated by models. We may have to remove CO2 from the atmosphere that has already been emitted to try to mitigate the severity. It makes no sense to remove CO2 at great expense while emitting more. So I studied the technical feasibility of achieving an energy economy actually eliminating all fossil fuels. Some coal and natural gas infrastructure would be maintained as a contingency, but not used unless there is a major technical failure. Even then coal would only be used with carbon sequestration.

Finally, the solution to other problems, notably oil-related insecurities accompanies a zero-CO2 economy. It is not necessary to have a zero-CO2 economy in the United States to accomplish a reduction of oil-related insecurities. There are a variety of ways to do that, such as turning coal to liquid fuels. But such choices would aggravate CO2 emissions.
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 08:51 PM
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1. How many prayer sessions before we get real?
It is amazing that this late in the game, anyone could be so clueless.

There is one way to go nuclear free and carbon dioxide free and that's basically to go back to medieval times when the world population was 1/12th of what it is today.

I very seldom see 11 out of 12 people making these kinds of statements who volunteer for suicide.

There are very few sources of primary energy, with only one new one having been discovered in the last 100 years. That new one, nulcear energy, is, by far, the world's largest source of climate change free energy, equaling all other sources combined, including all the really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really cool biofuels, solar cells, wind farms etc.

Ninety percent of the world's available industrially energy, about 425 exajoules out of 470 exajoules comes from dangerous fossil fuels, generating dangerous fossil fuel wars, inspiring dangerous fossil fuel terrorism and of course, dangerous fossil fuel waste. Still we hear all the time about people who couldn't care less about dangerous fossil fuels and feel an irrational pixilated dangerous and disasterous need to malign the only form of exajoule scale energy that works and is scalable, almost infinitely so.

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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 09:38 PM
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3. There is no way to go carbon free or nuclear free in the short term
Nuclear energy is not a short term solution. (It will take a decade or more to get any new plants on-line in the US.)

Nuclear energy (as we know it) is also not a long term solution. There is a finite supply of readily available uranium out there (especially if we continue to follow the "once-through fuel cycle.")


If you want to find a long term solution, you will need to look beyond both fossil fuels and nuclear power (as we know it.) Wind & Solar are coming on-line slowly. Fusion remains tantalizingly out of reach. Biofuels have a role to play, but will not replace fossil fuels.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 09:06 PM
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2. I agree that we need to get to zero GHG emissions. Negative, really.
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