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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 12:04 AM
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Canada's National Energy Board - US Should Expect 30% Less Canadian Gas Exports By 2015
A new report from Canada’s National Energy Board says the U.S. should expect exports of Canadian natural gas to the U.S. to fall approximately 30% between now and 2015. The report from Canada’s energy regulator further warns that, due to rising costs, the U.S. should expect to import less oil from the Alberta oil sands region than previously forecast.

This double dose of bad news could have a major impact on both the short- and long-term prices of both commodities. The U.S. is counting heavily on increased imports of Canadian oil, specifically to offset an expected decline in Mexican oil, and generally to counter the greater competition for oil among net importing countries as global demand continues its precipitous rise. After Saudi Arabia, Alberta’s tar-sands region is believed to contain the largest oil reserves in the world.

In citing higher costs as the reason why it was reducing its forecast for tar-sands output to 2.8 million barrels a day by 2015 from three million, the Energy Board clearly left open the possibility of further cost-related reductions in the months and years ahead. “A number of companies (working in the tar sands region) are reassessing the economics of their projects,” according to the report. Current output is about 1.3 million barrels a day.

Ironically, the drop in expected exports of natural gas from Canada to the U.S. is due in part to increased use of natural gas to separate the tar-like bitumen from the tar sands. That, plus smaller domestic discoveries and other increases in domestic consumption, are expected to cause the major falloff in exports.

EDIT

http://energytechstocks.com.previewmysite.com/wp/?p=540
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 05:19 AM
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1. K & R for irony
> Ironically, the drop in expected exports of natural gas from Canada to the
> U.S. is due in part to increased use of natural gas to separate the tar-like
> bitumen from the tar sands.

> The U.S. is counting heavily on increased imports of Canadian oil,
> specifically to offset an expected decline in Mexican oil, and generally
> to counter the greater competition for oil among net importing countries
> as global demand continues its precipitous rise.

Yet another little chirp of alarm is heard from the canary ...
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 04:42 PM
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2. 2015 is not very far in the future.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 05:20 PM
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3. I recall reading that US energy needs from Canada were secure...
...even if it meant that Canada was left wanting.

What I don't recall is whether I read it in some NAFTA article, or some Security and Prosperity Partnership article, or an article on some other agreement that made that provision.

Can anyone back me up on that?
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AlertLurker Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 08:19 PM
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4. Ex-Alberta Premier Peter Lougheed, regarding NAFTA Proportionality Clause
"Let the Eastern Bastards freeze in the dark."
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 01:54 AM
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6. Not quite what I was looking for. Besides, it wasn't Lougheed who said what you claim.
The tubes on the Internet tell me it was Ralph Klein.

Welcome to DU, AlertLurker. Helpful Hint: Get your facts straight, or someone else will straighten them out for you.

:hi:
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AlertLurker Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 09:16 AM
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8. You are right. I don't have a problem with "gentle correction."
I was ACTUALLY doubly wrong - It WAS Ralph Klein, but it wasn't reaction to the NAFTA Proportionality clause, (which requires Canada to ship some 70% of its oil and 56% of its Natural Gas to the US, even if it faces shortages) but to Trudeau's NEP.

I think the NAFTA Proportionality Clause was what you were looking for, however. Canada was the only country stupid enough to agree to one...sad, sad, sad.

I had thought it was Lougheed, however, since I distinctly remember him railing on and on and on at the time, calling for slowdowns and boycotts...

Thanks for the welcome, and the correction!
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 11:21 AM
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9. Ehhh, I could have corrected more gently...
Upon rereading, I sounded more snarky than I'd intended. Sorry for that.

And thank you for the information! The NAFTA Proportionality Clause seems to be exactly what I was thinking of.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 09:10 AM
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7. NAFTA Article 605 and the "Eastern bastards"
Edited on Sat Nov-24-07 09:11 AM by GliderGuider
http://www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca/nafta-ALENA/chap06-en.asp

Article 605: Other Export Measures

Subject to Annex 605 (GG - which excludes Mexico), a Party may adopt or maintain a restriction otherwise justified under Article XI:2(a) or XX(g), (i) or (j) of the GATT with respect to the export of an energy or basic petrochemical good to the territory of another Party, only if:

(a) the restriction does not reduce the proportion of the total export shipments of the specific energy or basic petrochemical good made available to that other Party relative to the total supply of that good of the Party maintaining the restriction as compared to the proportion prevailing in the most recent 36-month period for which data are available prior to the imposition of the measure, or in such other representative period on which the Parties may agree;

(b) the Party does not impose a higher price for exports of an energy or basic petrochemical good to that other Party than the price charged for such good when consumed domestically, by means of any measure such as licenses, fees, taxation and minimum price requirements. The foregoing provision does not apply to a higher price that may result from a measure taken pursuant to subparagraph (a) that only restricts the volume of exports; and

(c) the restriction does not require the disruption of normal channels of supply to that other Party or normal proportions among specific energy or basic petrochemical goods supplied to that other Party, such as, for example,between crude oil and refined products and among different categories of crude oil and of refined products.

Basically this means that we must continue to ship the same proportion of our total production of oil and natural gas to the USA. If our total suppy declines (or we decide to cut back production) we can reduce shipments to the USA, but only if we take the same proportional cut in our domestic supply. It also means that we can't subsidize domestic consumption.

NAFTA will not force us to disadvantage ourselves relative to our participation in the world energy market, but it prevents us from giving ourselves any relative advantages with our own resources.

The anthemic phrase "Let the Eastern bastards freeze in the dark" was popularized in Alberta during the time of Peter Lougheed in 1980 as a response to Pierre Trudeau's National Energy Program. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Energy_Program.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 11:24 AM
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11. Thanks very much, GliderGuider !
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 10:07 PM
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5. Shortage of natural gas is caused by the use of natural gas to treat tar sands?
Could this possibly be any crazier?
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 11:23 AM
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10. Unfortunately, yes.
Yes, it's possible for it to get crazier, that is.
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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 04:34 PM
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12. Wait 'till they switch from NG...
Edited on Sat Nov-24-07 05:05 PM by Dead_Parrot
...to http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=115&topic_id=85647">bio-hydrogen. Then we can finally outlaw thermodynamics for ever!

You know you laughed, I heard you laugh.
You laughed and laughed and laughed, and then we ran out of oil.
And now you know I'm utterly mad.

And,

They're coming to take me away, ha ha,
They're coming to take me away, ho ho, hee hee, ha ha,
To Athabasca! With trees and flowers and chirping birds,
And energy analysts who sit and smile and twiddle their thumbs and toes,
And they're coming to take me away ha ha...


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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 10:26 AM
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13. It was hard not to enjoy the end of the world.
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 02:03 PM
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14. Thank God we have wind and solar to take up the slack
I'm sure that no one will ever consider building new coal-fired plants to replace the gas turbines that will be going offline. :sarcasm:
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