Toshiba micro-reactor a "hoax"

You might remember this story from last month:
"(xpost) Toshiba Builds 100x Smaller Micro Nuclear Reactor"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=115&topic_id=126211

According to Rod Adams, it's a hoax:

http://atomicinsights.blogspot.com/2008/01/update-posted-on-toshiba-micro-reactor.html

...the safety concerns that a number of people mentioned when that first article went live.

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Why would they do it, and why didn't it get treatment from reliable services such as the AP?

I'm glad that's been cleared up.

*poof*

You're very, very, very, very, very, very big on stating that "nuclear power is dead."

I think your cult has been saying as much for 37 years.

From the Pope of anti-nukes:



Amory Lovins, Hunter Lovins, Leonard Ross "Nuclear Power and Nuclear Bombs," Foreign Affairs, pg 1138, Summer, 1980.

Hallucinate much, Amory?

I have heard fundementalist anti-nukes saying here that "nuclear power is dead" for quite sometime, but my impression is that they've been eating home grown hallucinogenic mushrooms with Mom at the family compound.

Meanwhile on planet earth: http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/international/iealf/table27.xls

No amount of scientific fact, no number of numbers, no measurement can dissuade a fundie from being a fundie.

In fact, the anti-nuke fundies, isolated in their little yuppie brat car culture enclaves seem to be shuffling a little bit.

The whole anti-nuke cult is looking more and more and more and more hallucinatory.

Later on we'll talk about how the two authors of the cult scripture, Hunter and Amory, got married in a sweat lodge, exchanging knives in a little cult ritual.

It's a great story, and pretty illustrative of the nature of cult thinking.

Delusional sick fuck nonsense

Really?

You find the Pope of the anti-nuke cults comments from 1976 and 1980 delusional?

So do I!

That is an improvement!

Why don't you cower under the Mom's dining room table (Duck! Here comes a cosmic ray), eat some more of those "home grown" mushrooms, smoke some more of that home grown stuff they grow in the clearcuts in the back woods, and announce that "nuclear power has gone away."

Let's have some more of the Walmart greenwasher's commentary from 1980 on the imminent death of nuclear power:




Amory Lovins, "Nuclear Power and Nuclear Bombs," Summer 1980, Foreign Affairs pp 1139-1177

Meanwhile, on Planet Earth:

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/international/iealf/table27.xls

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/international/iealf/table17.xls

Real quick that renewable business, eh Uncle Amory. Um...um...um...maybe you should stick to working at the photo counter at Walmart, no?

Then there's this gem:



Meanwhile on Planet Earth, about 37 years after Uncle Amory said that electricity was going to go away:

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/international/RecentTotalElectricGeneration.xls

Oh, congrats to all the fundies on the planet, anti-nuke and otherwise, for Huckabee's great showing in Iowa. The fundie set must be very proud.

And now, while you and mom hide under the table ducking cosmic rays and smoking home grown, I think I'll work on my diary on another site. Don't put the home grown down; the diary involves something called "numbers." You and Mom wouldn't get it anyway, and at this point, there doesn't seem to be much hope that you'll both stop hallucinating in any case.

Ignorance kills.

in the "real world"....

http://www.courant.com/news/custom/topnews/hcu-hamiltonenergy0102,0,7225438.story

Just like Saint Amory predicted in 1976?

Who knew?

I'll check the EIA documents to see if molten solar toys have eliminated the electricl grid.

By the way, typical of anti-nukes who know very little about the technology they criticize, the idea that the molten salt nuclear reactor is "new" is about 50 years old, just like the rest of the hack stuff from the anti-nuke cult.

Alvin Weinberg operated the Molten Salt Reactor in the 1960's. It worked quite well, but was defunded, mostly because uranium was so cheap.

Now if you read the Gospel According to Amory - the fellow who said that electrical demand was going to go away because of all that solar stuff in everyone's backyard - you find that Amory quoted Weinberg in his hallucinatory paper on "The Road Not Taken."

In fact, the stuff he reproduced from Weinberg was the only stuff that wasn't as batshit crazy as the rest of the chants the fundie anti-nuke faith as been spouting since the Oracle at Snowmass delivered his gospel to the faithful.

Meanwhile back on planet earth, the MSR is included Gen IV program for the redevelopment. Apparently the planet is ignoring his Holiness' report that "nuclear power is dead."

In other news, John Paul II, apologized to Galileo, almost 400 years too late. Maybe one of the Greenpeace cult leaders in the 25th century - assuming that ignorance doesn't wipe out life on earth before then - will apologize to Weinberg. On the other hand, maybe Greenpeace will fade away long before nuclear power does.

The "made-up" Toshiba mini-reactor = HOAX

The "made-up" DU "Resident Expert" molten salt breeder reactor = HOAX

that is all you need to know...

...you do seem to post a lot of canned Amory Lovins rhetoric.

I note with amusement (mixed with contempt) that you have not bothered to acknowledge one bit of the big decades old hoax from the Walmart executive whose blabber you uncritically reproduce day after day, year after year.

What a surprise!

We'll just add this judgement of yours about what is and is not a hoax to the big, big, big, big claims, punctuated by frequent "world's largest" statements, to the rest of the "solar will save us" junk.

Be sure to announce the decade in which you expect the perennial "solar revolution" to produce a single exajoule of energy.

Oh wait. I already know. It's "by 2050."

That will be roughly 75 years after Saint Amory first wrote his grand scripture on the appropriate form of worship for the sun god.

not

It's not like you understand the chemistry of curium triiodide in molten strontium iodide. In fact, the number of fundies of any type - and that would include Mike Huckabee and Amory Lovins - who have any respect for any science, chemistry included, is zero.

There is absolutely zero evidence that you have ever considered the chemical extraction of Neptunium hexafluoride into NaF at 350C, because there is no evidence whatsoever that you know a damn thing about the chemistry of molten salts.

Your entire knowledge of molten salts in fact, consists of regurgitating Amory Lovins chants from 1976 about the solar molten salt storage tanks in "every backyard."

It's not like you and Mom are discussing the doppler broadening of the shoulder in the U-233 capture cross section resonance and 0.2 MeV while you're laying under the yuppie party table throwing up Allen's Coffee brandy.

It's not like your little gathering of the anti-nuke car culture cult stops smoking home grown long enough to discuss the effect of erbium-167 on the breeding ratio with respect to channel width in graphite.

In fact there's no evidence that you know anything about nuclear science at all, which is why you're against it, much like Patty Robertson is against geology while knowing nothing about the subject at all.

The fact is, cutie pie, is that you are against the world's largest form of climate change gas free energy - using existing technology - that would be the pressurized water reactor combined with the boiling water reactor.

The number of new types of reactors that are required to make nuclear power the largest form of climate change gas free energy is zero. Nuclear power has been, since 1980, the world's largest source of climate change gas free industrial energy.

Your entire shtick is rehashing 30 year old dogma from the moron paid (off) corporate hack Uncle Amory.

The anti-nuke fundie cult - when you scratch the surface - knows zero about nuclear science; zero about energy; and zero about critical thinking. It is, in fact, a cult that relies on ignorance for its existence, and IGNORANCE KILLS.

Now let's have a quote from Amory Lovins on the subject of Brandy, since apparently he is very, very, very, very popular with the drinking class of the remedial physics department.



Amory Lovins, "baby-cakes-knife-cult-ceremony-Natural-Capitalist" Hunter Lovins, Leonard Ross, Foreign Affairs, Summer (1980) 1137-1177. The quoted citation from the 50 pages of insipid drivel can be found on pages 1151-1152.

So by the term "direct fuels" we see that Uncle Amory started his career as a fossil fuels apologist and has never deviated it from it, like just the rest of the anti-nuke fundie cult that ensures his fortune.

As for the brandy and the decline of the need for electricity, back on Planet Earth...

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/international/iealf/table62.xls

I are a auto-didactical nucular engineer!
I invented the Morton Salt Breeder Reactor!
Morton Salt is better because it is Iodized!
Downwinders do not have to take Iodine Tablets,
because Iodine is already in the fallout!
Remember...when it rains, it pours...Mortons!

But it really is pathetic that so many here at DU were taken in by this...

There is NOT ONE fundie anti-nuke who takes the matter of destroying the world's largest, by far, form of climate change more seriously than can be expressed in a lazy reproduction of graphics.

IGNORNANCE KILLS.

You know, the one where you contaminated your thyroid with 125I and "controlled" it with table salt...

That was a good one...

:popcorn:

I'll be happy to discuss iodine.

The fact that the other little anti-nuke fundie here produced a marketing blurb for sodium chloride demonstrates fully and completely that the anti-nuke cult, which can no more be dissauded from dogma than Huckabee (congrats on the win, big boy) can be dissauded by something called molecular biology

Then maybe you can tell us how on the boy's "we all want to write something about our yuppie trip to Antarctica in our high school application essay" high school class trip, Mom let you play with an RIA kit, making you into an expert on flux flattening in the core of bismuth reactors.

In fact, you are entirely ignorant of nuclear technology, and all the insipid giggling in the world will not change then.

Duck, there goes a "beta ray."

Jump under the table! Avoid the vomited Allen's Coffee Brandy!

:rofl:

:popcorn:
This fun!

awfully tiresome. Why don't you go back to the illiteracy meme?

Oh well.

It's sort of like the anti-nuke fundie's "nuclear power is dead" hoax.

Most anti-nukes have very, very, very, very selective criteria for attention to "hoaxes."



-Amory Lovins, "The Road Not Taken, <em>Foreign Affairs</em> pg 83, October 1976.

Um Amory? Can we buy one at Walmart?

The number of new types of nuclear reactors required to make nuclear power the world's largest, by far, source of climate change gas free energy: Zero.

The number of back yard fusible salt solar toys to make solar energy get to one exajoule:

Several million.

Of course, the fact that Amory Lovins has always been a paid (off) hoax has not effected a single anti-nuke a whit. They are still in a cult that is trying to destroy the world's largest climate change gas free form of energy because, well, they are dolts.

Rod has some very, very, very, very enlightening comments on Uncle Amory, by the way.

No one could suffer from reading Rod's writings, of course, but I rather think that the members of the anti-nuke cult read Rod Adams the same way that other fundies, like Kurt Wise for instance, reads geology texts.

I heard it from Unka Dick, so it must be true. It also dispenses soft-serve ice cream on one side and the other is an HD TV screen with free porn.