Congress Declares Iran a Nuclear Threat: 369-46 vote

"Iran poses a nuclear weapons threat to the United States and its allies, according to the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008 H R 4986 passed 369-46"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2710655

"Nicholas Burns, US undersecretary on Iran resigned suddenly today"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3145800

Totals & Party Breakdown
Who voted how:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2008-11

What in the hell is wrong with our government? We make our own enemies and then use their reactions as an excuse to bomb them. What is wrong with this picture?

crap like this is entirely unhelpful, and will do nothing but move us closer to the next world war.

And in this next world war, we will most certainly NOT be the 'good' guys (if there is such a thing in war).

and once that happens all bets is off that civilization as we know it will survive.

is us. :(

Understatement of the year? :nuke:

This is like watching Germany in 1937.


Where is your Sophie Scholl?

I for one am DEEPLY unhappy with the direction these idiots are taking us.

There are so many good Americans.

I'm glad you're troubled. But it's well past the point where furrowed brows are going to accomplish anything. They're counting on your politeness, you know.

Hell, we've got a Vichy government up here, and I'm getting almost as PO'd at them. But we don't have aircraft carriers or nuclear weapons.

board with your comparisons of us to the 'good Germans'

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2710655#2718890

Why don't you take your message to the belly of the beast, so to speak (FR, Yahoo, etc.).


Both you, and I, know what this was, a political stunt by the Reich to provide a campaign issue for the '08 election. The problem, in this instance, is the way campaigns in this country are financed and covered by the media.

The folks living in the belly of the beast are immune to such pointed commentary. They live all day bathed in gastric acids, and gentle analogies like that have no effect on them. People on "liberal discussion boards" already have a sense of responsibility, an understanding that it is our duty to oppose, are duty to make sure our governments are considerate and humane, not just powerful. People starting with that advantage might find the idea that those on the outside see them as submissive and acquiescent to be offensive. They might just decide to do something to change that impression.

You guys are in deep shit at home and are spreading your effluvium around the world. If you object to that, it's time to do something about it. And that doesn't mean getting into another Hillary/Barack mudwrestle over which will be deemed least disruptive by TPTB.

I see a lot of people who are absolutely certain that voting will fix things.

Hence the one sided votes-

Me, I'm well beyond believing that the country will be restored to sanity without some defining event- like a major economic collapse. Too many things once held extreme and outrageous have become status quo, enabled and legitimized by "centrist" Dems and a complicit media. Two generations (and then some) have been fed on a diet of propaganda and hate radio- to the extent that opinion has replaced FACT -and narrow commercial interests have replaced science and reason.

America (and most Americans) aren't going to change appreciably- not this election cycle, any more than the last.

Which is why it seems to me that it's a wise decision for some of us to get out while the getting's still good.

The world can only defeat so many fascist hegemonic regimes in one century, you know.

They are so fucking stupid that they set out an suicidal oil war because - in a paen to human ignorance and stupidity - Dick Cheney and Colin Powell said "Uranium."

The Iranians have an absolute right to nuclear power. All of humanity does.

Oh, and yes, IGNORANCE KILLS.

Anyone with a modicum of education about nuclear issues - and that immediately excludes all anti-nuke fundies - knew immediately that Cheney was lying. I did. El Baradei did. Still the fundies went off to kill again.

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USA has already gone nuclear in a big way for the last decade . .

Think Depleted Uranium

It wouldn't surprise me if the facts were known that the USA has already created as much death and suffering with their use of depleted uranium, a known toxin, as they did with the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki

AND

Will continue to kill and create suffering long after the USA has come to its senses and forgo its warmongering ways.

A Google search of depleted uranium toxin came up with 46,900 hits

From just one of them:

"During the 2003 invasion, the US and the UK also made extensive use of depleted uranium (DU) munitions <5> and cluster munitions. <6> Cluster weapons kill and maim indiscriminately when used in populated areas and also leave unexploded bomblets that later cause civilian death and injury. DU weapons, critics argue, can produce long-term negative health effects and several international bodies have called for a moratorium on their use. Both DU and cluster munitions violate prohibitions against weapons that cause unnecessary suffering and indiscriminate harm.

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Depleted Uranium is a toxic and weakly radioactive waste product from the process of uranium enrichment, used in a range of weapons to penetrate the armor of tanks and other armored vehicles at a great distance. <34>

According to the Guardian , experts have calculated that Coalition f forces used between 1,000 and 2,000 tons of depleted uranium anti-tank shells during the March 2003 invasion and the immediately subsequent fighting . <35> A United Nations Environment Program report tallies with this assessment. <36>

Leading health experts have stated that powder from exploded DU weapons may cause long-term negative effects on human health. <37> While the US military insists that DU does not pose a health threat, many US and UK veterans from the 2001 Gulf War have suffered from unexplained illnesses including fatigue, sleep disorders and memory loss (referred to as ‘Gulf War Syndrome'). On December 19, 2005, the US Department of Veterans Affairs made a settlement award to a family of a veteran who had died from metastatic appendix cancer, on the basis that the cancer was medically related to exposure to DU during the veteran's service. <38> In Iraq , increases in cancers and birth defects have been reported in areas where DU munitions had been used. <39> "

source


and Iran MAY be able ato get A nuke or two in the next decade?

Wow

I'm scared...