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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 06:16 AM
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HuffPo's Chris Kelly writes: David Vitter Has a New Fetish
This is a wonderful piece.

David Vitter Has a New Fetish

Posted June 20, 2008 | 09:32 AM (EST)
Read More: David Vitter, David Vitter ENOUGH, Energy, Energy Policy, ENOUGH Act, Enron, Gas Prices, Karl Marx, Offshore Drilling, Oil, Oil Drilling, Oil Prices, Vitter ENOUGH Act, Politics News


"Fool me once, shame on -- shame on you. Fool me -- you can't get fooled again." -- The President of the United States of America


Why have gasoline prices doubled in a year? Demand hasn't doubled. Supplies are the same. I have this horrible feeling -- having lived through the 2000 California electricity crisis -- that we're being gamed. Back then, as now, we were told that the source of the problem was simple: A sudden -- but perfectly natural -- imbalance in supply and demand. And the solutions were simple too:

1) Eat it. Pay up, quit complaining, and learn to passively enjoy the mysterious jerks and undulations of the free market, like listening to your roommates have sex.

Or:

2) Drill.

Back in 2000, Californians were also introduced to two ideas about electricity that have come back with a vengeance with gas:

1) Not only is there nothing wrong with higher prices, they actually prove that the market works.

And:

2) The energy companies would love to charge less, if only the Democrats and the environmentalists would change a few laws.

Try keeping both of those ideas in your head at the same time. ExxonMobil has a sacred obligation to its shareholders to charge the maximum price the market will bear and they'd cut prices in a second, as a present -- as patriots -- if you'd just let them bespoil Alaska.

I can't completely reconcile those theories, myself. I should probably listen to more talk radio. Except the radio's in my car, and I can't afford to drive.

So Californians paid high prices for power. We're still paying. And we threw out the governor and replaced him with this kind of wizened homunculus who used to play robots. But that's neither here nor there. In 2002, after the crisis passed, we found out it had had an even simpler cause than we'd thought:

It had been entirely cooked up by some company in Houston called Enron.

Fool me once and -- uh -- hasta la vista! I'll be back!



Rest of article at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-kelly/david-vitter-has-a-new-fe_b_108244.html

(worth reading!)
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 08:49 AM
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1. It's pretty amusing to hear an anti-nuke complain about Enron.
The dangerous fossil fuel shill, dumb fundie anti-nuke Amory Lovins once wrote all about his pal, Jeff Skilling:

Quoth Amory, who claimed in 1976, hundreds of billions of dangerous fossil waste dumping ago, that 15 exajoules of US electricity would be solar by the year 2000, quoting his pal Skilling:


I will personally eat every new nuclear power plant built in this country for the next 100 years. I don't think we are going to see any new plants built. We've just got a fundamental problem in that nuclear plants make a lot of waste and there is no solution to that problem right now. So they can talk all they want about nuclear power. I don't believe it.


http://www.aps.org/units/fps/newsletters/2001/october/a3oct01.html

Skilling, of course, a dangerous fossil fuel dumper of monumental proportions - Enron started out as a dangerous natural gas company - is doing a long stretch of time for fraud.

I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall for those pre-ski breakfasts at Little Nell's in Aspen where Lovins, Lay and Skilling chatted up their yuppie indifference to humanity.

I have no idea whether nuclear plants on the menu in the Federal pen.

Dangerous fossil fuel apologist and fossil fuel shill Amory Lovins has not gone to prison for fraud, although everything he says has proved to be fraudulent. He is not in prison, although his business has lead to the demise of millions of people around the planet since he started his campaign to vandalize the world's largest, by far, form of climate change gas free primary energy.

My view is that 100% of anti-nukes are dangerous fossil fuel apologists. In my time here, they have produced many tens of thousands of tons of dangerous fossil fuel wastes in the exercise of complaining about so called "nuclear waste," of which they know nothing at all. One hundred percent of them would qualify to work at Enron, since they are all engaged in a huge pro-fossil fuel ponzi scheme.

As for the death of nuclear power, the EIA data is pretty clear:

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/international/iealf/table27.xls

Of course, you don't believe the EIA data, because it doesn't say what you want to hear. There is NOT ONE fundie who understands data. Not one. It's why they couldn't care less about dangerous fossi fuel war, dangerous fossil fuel terrorism, dangerous fossil fuel depletion, dangerous fossil fuel waste or dangerous fossil fuel prices.

The bill is due. Welcome to 400 ppm. Heckuva job fundie.





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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 09:20 AM
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2. Oh God, just shut your dribbling piehole, WILL YOU?
Edited on Sat Jun-21-08 09:22 AM by tom_paine
You bring nothing to the table, just insults.

Will you just go and plague Free Republic's Environmental Forum (if they have one) with your bullshit?

That place is filled with people just like you. You can shriek and slur and insult and cry like a wounded duck when someone dishes you back a little of what you dish on a daily basis, to your heart's content.

Unlike here, where you stand out like a sore thumb, you will be just another nonsensical shrieker amongst the herd of them. Or perhaps that's why you choose to peddle your shit here, because here you ARE relatively unique.

I like the stuff you link to, that's the only reason I haven't put you on ignore. But maybe I should. The way you just trotted over here for no other purpose than to insult makes me sick.

What a good thing the Ignore function allows me to "shut your dribbling piehole", at least as far as I am concerned.

My disgust with you is rapidly outweighing my interest in the links you post.
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 11:21 AM
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3. I don't read Free Republic.
I have, therefore, little familiarity with what is written there, just as I have no idea - except by osmosis - about what Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity say on television.

If you do, the time you spend there represents an excellent opportunity to avoid reading my posts.

Congratulations on the use of your time.

The fact that 100% of the world's anti-nukes are dangerous fossil fuel apologists is not changed by your decision as to whether you read my posts.

I don't find the anti-nuke community to be particularly gracious, if you must know, and I note, with contempt, that that community is notable only for being poorly informed. There's a lot of sticking fingers in the ears in that set.

Like it or not, I do know what I'm talking about.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 12:14 PM
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4. I haven't been there in years. Like you, in a short time one figures them out
Edited on Sat Jun-21-08 12:15 PM by tom_paine
One realizes what a waste of time it is to go there.

You know, it's long past the point where I care whether or not you know what you are talking about (I have never actually heard you explain such things as neutron migration to us laymen in your own words...NOT ONCE) or are just parroting big words in an attempt to cast yourself as an "authority".

I don't care if you are the single most respected Nuclear Physicist in the world, with enough Ph.D.s to paper a wall, at this point.

And believe you me, if and when I put you on ignore (a pity, for you do post interesting, informative links sometimes), I shall do so and never look back, except to chuckle when I see the many alternating "ignored" messages.

And while I have you here, let me ask you, exactly why did you refuse to answer my legitimate questions about Oklo vs. Yucca. It can't be because you didn't see it, for you posted on the thread afterwards.
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