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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 02:52 PM
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(EcoGeek) Status Check: The Biggest Wind Projects in the World
http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/2010/86/

Status Check: The Biggest Wind Projects in the World

Written by Jaymi Heimbuch
Friday, 15 August 2008

With all sorts of stories coming out about biggests and firsts, we at EcoGeek figure it’s about time to take the pulse of wind power generation and find out just where the industry stands on giant wind projects.

Largest Operational Wind Farm in the World
Currently, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_Hollow_Wind_Energy_Center">Horse Hollow Wind Energy Center in Texas is the world's largest with a 735 MW capacity. Emphasis on “currently” – there is a whole lot coming down the pipeline that will dwarf the project. But, as far as operational single wind farms, this is the world’s biggest. The problem is, right now, any planned wind project bigger than Horse Hollow can claim to be the "World's Biggest." Hence the constant flow of "World's Biggest Wind Farm" headlines.

Largest Planned Project
That would be the http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/1656/86/">Pickens’s Texas Project (2014) that will generate 4 GW, right? At least you thought so…Actually, the Pickens plan is beat by both and the http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4176/is_20080308/ai_n24912123">4.5 GW Tehachapi Renewal Project (2013) and South Dakota’s http://www.clipperwind.com/pr_073008.html">Titan Wind Project (date not set), which will generate over 5 GW. Kind of jaw-dropping, but considering the wind conditions in the Dakotas, not too surprising. The http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008075554_windfarm27m.html">900 MW Columbia River Project (already under construction) may hold the title for a while, but will be quickly beaten out by plants in the gigawatt range.

Largest Planned Offshore Project
The UK gets this one with its http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/1915/86/">London Array project, expected to have a capacity of 1 GW. While sounding almost small compared to some of the planned onshore projects, this is a pretty big deal for offshore wind power generation.

(More at the link)
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 03:13 PM
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1. I keep having this strange thought -
if there were enough of these things could they actually affect wind patterns and then weather? (or maybe my question should be at what point will they?)
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ElectricGrid Donating Member (211 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 03:43 PM
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2. I wonder that sometimes too but then I
think about all the structures around the world that humans have built and realize these windmills will play no more factor than a mountian or small city would.
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 04:44 PM
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3. Well, the laws of thermodynamics still apply
If you're harvesting energy from the wind, well, then you're taking energy out of the wind. (You're not doing anything chemical or nuclear.)

However, consider, one of the effects of "global warming" is increased wind speeds. (Kinda makes sense, right? Warmer air means more energetic air?)

So, I sincerely doubt the effect on wind patterns by turbines will be greater than the weather effects of coal burning plants for one example... and if anything the effects of one seem to counteract the other (although I'm confident that the magnitudes are quite different.)
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 07:50 AM
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6. Actually warming may eventually decrease wind speeds...

...due to less thermal differential at the poles after the ice melts.

It's probably a mix though -- some places will go up and others down. It may be that land winds increase while sea surface winds decrease. Wave activity is supposed to go down overall IIRC.


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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 04:53 PM
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4. There is research on the topic.
A friend told me there is a newer mesoscale study out there, but I haven't seen it yet. Conclusion, as I understand it, is little to no effect even if massive development occurs; turbines just don't compare to geologic and biologic structure that affects wind flow.

Here is what I have on file:
Can large wind farms affect local meteorology?
S. Baidya Roy and S. W. Pacala
Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, Princeton University, Princeton, New Jersey, USA
R. L. Walko
Department of Civil Engineering, Duke University, Durham, North Carolina, USA
Received 11 March 2004; revised 9 July 2004; accepted 20 July 2004; published 1 October 2004.
<1> The RAMS model was used to explore the possible impacts of a large wind farm in the
Great Plains region on the local meteorology over synoptic timescales under typical
summertime conditions. A wind turbine was approximated as a sink of energy and source
of turbulence. The wind farm was created by assuming an array of such turbines. Results
show that the wind farm significantly slows down the wind at the turbine hub-height
level. Additionally, turbulence generated by rotors create eddies that can enhance vertical
mixing of momentum, heat, and scalars, usually leading to a warming and drying of
the surface air and reduced surface sensible heat flux. This effect is most intense in the
early morning hours when the boundary layer is stably stratified and the hub-height level
wind speed is the strongest due to the nocturnal low-level jet. The impact on
evapotranspiration is small. INDEX TERMS: 3307 Meteorology and Atmospheric Dynamics:
Boundary layer processes; 3329 Meteorology and Atmospheric Dynamics: Mesoscale meteorology; 3379
Meteorology and Atmospheric Dynamics: Turbulence; 1630 Global Change: Impact phenomena; KEYWORDS:
wind power, wind farm, renewable energy, environmental impact, climate, weather
Citation: Baidya Roy, S., S. W. Pacala, and R. L. Walko (2004), Can large wind farms affect local meteorology?, J. Geophys. Res.,
109, D19101, doi:10.1029/2004JD004763.
JOURNAL OF GEOPHYSICAL RESEARCH, VOL. 109, D19101, doi:10.1029/2004JD004763, 2004
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 06:01 PM
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5. Yeah, I remember seeing some research in the past
Edited on Fri Aug-15-08 06:04 PM by OKIsItJustMe
Perhaps you posted it here.

(FWIW: A link to what you cited.)
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2004/2004JD004763.shtml
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