"I'm having a hard time finding out the true cost of ethanol from corn once the parade of government subsidies has been excluded."
I stated the total support from the government for ethanol is the total of the Federal petroleum excise tax credit ($.46 per gallon after 2008, $.51 up to 2008) plus the total of all crop subsidy payments for corn (about 6 cents a gallon) gives you $.51 cents (or $.57 through 2008) per gallon. You add that to the price of
E85 which averages over the nation $3.10 (compared to gas at $3.75). If you add the $.57 to the $3.10 that gives you $3.67. this theoretically gives you what they would sell it at without the support from the government.
determining the COST is pretty hard because private companies do not like to give out this information. but there have been reports in the papers that the ethanol companies are getting squeezed by the high cost of corn and that their profit margins are getting pretty slim.
DON'T TWIST MY MEANING: My parable is obviously DOES NOT mean: "ethanol at any cost" - be advised I don't like it when someone purposely twists my message like that. THe obvious simple message delivered by my parable (I am happy to repeat it) is that THERE IS NO CURRENTLY AVAILABLE, FEASIBLE ALTERNATIVE FUEL THAT CAN MATCH THE REPLACE THE CORN BASED ETHANOL WE NOW HAVE.
YOu say there are "plenty of alternatives" Please don't keep them to yourself. I would sure like to hear of any that are feasible right now. I would support any alternative that is available RIGHT NOW that is better than corn. The fact is there are none available right now.
PLEASE, if you know of any alternative fuel that will work right now PLEASE FILL US IN ON IT. I don't think you can give me one, though. Yes, sugar cane produces more sugar, but it only grows in Florida and Louisiana (maybe a lil in southeast Texas).
There are other alternatives are being looked into for the future (and are being developed - i wish these things could move faster but introducing a new crop takes some time). YOu have to convince thousands of farmers to try growing a new crop and that they won't lose money in the transission. Sweet Sorghum looks very interesting. Also, I have posted about a group who say they will build and have running a cellulosic plant (1 Mgy) by 2010. THAT is very interesting too. But these are not available right now. If they were, we'd be using them.
As I have already made clear the cost of ethanol is less than the cash benefit it gives us. The cost of gas is about 15% lower than it would be without ethanol. Ethanol is already saving us MORE THAN IT cost in Federal Petroleum Excise tax credits and (if you want to throw in the crop support payments - a program supported by an entirely different rationale) it still saves us more than it costs in Federal support.
Usually when you subsidize a new technology you expect to invest (that is lose money) for a number of years before you investment in the new technology begins to pay off. We are gaining a payoff from ethanol after only a few years of support. This buys us time (without a depression due to high oil prices) to develop the more advanced technologies i have spoken of many times before on this forum.