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Fledermaus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 11:18 AM
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European pumped hydro storage expanding, supplying energy storage & stability for wind
Edited on Tue Sep-09-08 11:24 AM by Fledermaus
Apparently, pumped storage doesn’t have to be in the same geographical location as wind production. This pumped hydro storage plant is in Austria and the wind farms are in Germany.

Flexibility spells reliability
With wind power capacity growing, Austrian utility Vorarlberger Illwerke needed to ensure the reliability of the network. The solution was to construct Kops II, one of the world’s most advanced pumped storage hydropower plants.

Network challenge
In Europe, there is an increasing demand for pumped storage hydropower plants and other energy storage solutions in order to meet peak demand requirements and to ensure network stability. In particular, the rapid growth of wind energy has made network reinforcement a priority.

In Germany, over 15 000 MW of wind capacity has been installed. These wind farms operate well in good wind conditions. However, if the wind suddenly becomes too strong, many of the rotors go into the ‘sail’ position simultaneously and the network falls short. This power must be rapidly replaced to avoid fluctuations in network frequency.

Kops II has therefore been designed to be extremely flexible in terms of network regulation, and it is this feature which will make it one of the most modern and technically advanced pumped storage power plants in the world. Due to its quickly adjustable generating sets, Kops II can rapidly feed large amounts of power into the network, or take power from it. The plant can switch quickly between turbine mode, pump operation or back-to-back hydraulic mode, depending on network needs, to safeguard the grid against power failures and fluctuations

Siân Green

In November 2004, an official ceremony marked the start of construction of a new pumped storage hydropower plant in Austria. By 2008, construction will be complete and Kops II - a 450 MW high-head plant - will be supplying power to the grid to meet peak load and ensure network stability.

Situated in the Montafon area in Vorarlberg, Austria, Kops II is being constructed by Austrian utility Vorarlberger Illwerke AG. Kops II will use some of the infrastructure of the existing, 35-year old Kops pumped storage hydropower plant, yet will be one of the most advanced power stations of its kind and will be instrumental in ensuring the reliability of the region’s power grid for years to come.

http://pepei.pennnet.com/display_article/235387/17/ARTCL/none/none/1/Flexibility-spells-reliability/
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 11:25 AM
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1. It's electricity... but the energy loss in the entire
operation (wind => electricity => transmission to hydro => electricity to mechanical pump => pump water uphill => let water flow downhill => hydro electric mechanical to electricity => transmission to users => electricity to mechanical/light/etc)

Which each step there is significant percentage loss.

OTOH, if the wind is blowing and there isn't sufficient load to use the electricity right away... might as well do this.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 06:21 PM
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6. Define significant?
And how is there loss in the wind>electricity step? Also, why would you count the transmission as a loss attributable to the storage, since it has to be transmitted in any case?
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Fledermaus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 11:14 PM
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7. Thank you for your comments
Pumped hydro storage is actually one of the most efficient forms of energy storage. Pumped storage has an efficiency of about 80%.

Line losses are not as high as some people might think. For example: the typical amount of line loss in the United States is 7.5%. Their are many factors that can effects line loss. What the exact amount of line loss in this case is unknown, but as you pointed out its better to take advantage of wind power when its available.
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dbackjon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 12:51 PM
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2. So more land drowned by storage facilities?
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 06:19 PM
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5. Perhaps you could comment more intelligently if you read the article. nt
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Fledermaus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 02:09 AM
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9. Think of it this way.
Hydro eclectic dams control their flows. They hold back a certain portion of water just for power production. They keep it to produce electricity at a later time.

So, sometimes when the wind blows water will not have to be released from existing hydro electric plants. Now that my not seem like much, but to some one living in the South West right now thats real important.

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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 01:20 PM
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3. Cool!
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Fledermaus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:53 AM
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8. Yes it is. There are many benefits in combining wind and water.
Denmark sells their excess wind power to Scandinavia. The Scandinavian counties have a large amount of hydro power. However, rather than using pumped storage they can reduce their output. This allows them to conserve their water resources.

Its exciting to think how these two technologies will evolve in our country. We have huge amounts of renewable resources, and its a strange twist of fate that developing intermittent renewable energy will allow us to conserve our water resources.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 06:17 PM
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4. "Apparently, pumped storage doesn’t have to be in the same geographical location as wind production"
Edited on Tue Sep-09-08 06:18 PM by kristopher
That's the idea of a grid; it moves the energy around. Physical proximity is important to a degree as it relates to maintaining the 'pressure' of the system, and in this case, it's roughly similar to NJ-Del; not a big stretch. For comparison, the US has three networks: 1) Parts of Canada to the Gulf, Atlantic to the Mississippi 2) 4/5ths of Texas 3) Western US and parts of Canada. So a storage system in Ky wouldn't help at all for a wind farm in PA.

The problem with pumped hydro still remains the limited number of geographically suitable sites. Look at the details of the system you posted; how many places like that do you think are available to be developed in relation to the amount of storage we need?
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