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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 09:01 AM
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Cars converted to the future - 100 miles per gallon
Cars converted to the future - 100 miles per gallon
By John Murawski | Raleigh News & Observer

In a windowless workshop near the county landfill, a small Raleigh company has spent the past year trying to solve the nation's energy crisis one car at a time.

The cluttered Advanced Vehicle Research Center garage, tucked in an office park, can accommodate two Toyota Priuses. Lately, the bay stays full. Demand keeps the cars rolling in for a makeover some say will become standard as the car industry weans itself off gasoline. In less than four hours, the mechanics at the garage can outfit a Prius with a second battery pack. It emerges as a hybrid that can plug into a wall outlet to recharge like a cell phone.

The result: A car that breaks a once-unimaginable fuel efficiency barrier and delivers 100 miles per gallon. The spare battery costs less than 75 cents to charge and gives the plug-in Prius about a 35-mile range solely on electric power, making gasoline optional on short commutes. Retrofitting Priuses has become a full-time occupation for the Advanced Vehicle Research Center.

Even as gas prices have retreated from record highs, the cost of tanking up is changing lifestyles. Many people are driving less and ditching SUVs for smaller cars. Automakers are switching production to economy models and rushing to roll out hybrids. Research is accelerating on new technology such as long-range electric cars and hydrogen-powered vehicles.
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Hestia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 10:22 AM
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1. This has been what I have wondering - instead of manufacturing
new cars, why not have the auto makers retrofit available stock? Tom Hanks was on David Letterman a couple of years ago and Tom stated that he had helped a start-up do just that - take existing cars and retrofit to electric.
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 11:31 AM
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2. VW had a 78 mpg gallon car years ago, and even had a 235 mpg concept car.
All WITHOUT using electric drive. Hybrids only make sense if you want to keep present day performance capacity, if you reduce capacity (i.e. think in terms of actual highway speeds NOT top performance) smaller cars with small gasoline or Diesel Engines make more sense then Hybrids. The main reason is hauling the batteries around cost energy i.e. at some point you will hit a barrier, the more battery you install, takes more energy to move the car around then the energy being provided by the batteries (i.e. the cost of the hauling around the extra batteries exceed the energy provided by the extra batteries).

A further problem is that in areas were the climate drops below 32, the energy shortage ability of batteries decline radically at such temperatures. At that point the Prius uses very little of its battery, relying more on its gasoline engine to provide the electrical power for propulsion. In such areas today (and that is most of the US) adding an additional battery pack makes little sense (The Prius was designed in Japan to perform in areas much like Japan and most of the US, i.e. Maximum battery use even during cold weather).

The high mileage performed by these modified Priuses is limited to areas of relatively warm climates (i.e. Southern California, Southern Arizona, Southern New Mexico, Southern Texas and the American deep South) the same areas were electric cars make the most sense (i.e. minimal lost of electrical stored power in the batteries do to the lack of cold weather). Furthermore the weight to power of the Batteries and electric drive compared to a Gasoline engine, its drive train and gasoline is limited (This is why Hybrid were made, the gasoline engine provides the power needed by the electric drive train to a much higher extent then electric batteries can, provided you look at both system of about the same total weight).

Interesting concept but remember its limitations, i.e. NOT really usable outside of the areas mentioned above. I know California is the state with the Highest Population, Texas is Third, Florida is Fourth (New York is still holding onto Second place) but except for Florida, all of these states have areas where it gets cold (The Mountains for every state except Texas, The Northern Panhandle and the rest of North Texas in Texas).

VW 235 mpg car:
http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/05/27/transportation-tuesday-vws-235mpg-concept-coming-soon/

http://www.greencar.com/features/vw-235-mpg-car/
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=120448

And may be for sale in 2010:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_1-litre_car

For information on the Lupo 3l Car (The car that did 78 mpg and you could buy, but NOT in the US):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Lupo
http://www.vwvortex.com/artman/publish/printer_319.shtml

The Lupo was replaced by the VW Fox in 2005, more to do with the high cost of producing the Lupo then any other reason. VW basically decided people would prefer a less fuel efficient car at a much lower price then the relatively high price Lupo, even at 78 mpg. Please note the Lupo, its successor the Fox and it slightly larger car in the "City Car" market of Europe and Latin America are NOT imported into the US (VW did import a "Fox" in the early 1980s, but it was a version of the much larger VW Golf/Rabbit NOT the Fox that succeeded the Lupo).
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