Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Tappan Zee Bridge to Cost $16 Billion to Replace. Car CULTure apologists say "Pshaw!"

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Environment/Energy Donate to DU
 
NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-08 06:46 PM
Original message
Tappan Zee Bridge to Cost $16 Billion to Replace. Car CULTure apologists say "Pshaw!"
The same "renewables will save us" car cultists who whine and whine and whine and whine over the costs of nuclear plants while planning to grind up who rain forests to sustain the car cult, seem notioriously indiffenent to the government subsidized costs of the car CULTure.

Now comes news that the Tappan Zee bridge, which happens to be relatively close to the Indian Point Nuclear Station - the plant that has caused infinitely fewer deaths than the Tappan Zee Bridge - will cost $16 billion dollars to replace.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/27/nyregion/27bridge.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin">Um, NNadir, some trains are involved too, you know. Only about 7 billion bucks is for cars.

State officials announced an ambitious plan on Friday to replace the Tappan Zee Bridge with a new bridge with room for commuter trains and high-speed bus lanes. The price tag for a new bridge and expanded rail and bus lines: $16 billion.

Officials did not say how they would pay for the project; they said they would work with a financial adviser to come up with financing options. The state transportation commissioner, Astrid C. Glynn, said that the state would seek federal financing for part of the project and that a partnership involving some form of private financing would also be considered.

“This is obviously a very significant investment for the state,” Ms. Glynn said in a telephone interview after a formal announcement in Tarrytown. “At this point, all options have to be on the table.”

Officials said the bridge itself would cost $6.4 billion. A high-speed bus corridor running from Suffern to Port Chester would cost $2.9 billion. And it would cost an additional $6.7 billion to build a new rail line that would go from the Metro-North station in Suffern and across the bridge, connecting with Metro-North’s Hudson Line south of Tarrytown...


Of course, the train part is good, but it sort of makes one wonder about the existence of suburbs, all of which derive their existence from the government subsidized highway system.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-08 06:49 PM
Response to Original message
1. You can afford to both live and work in NYC? Must be nice
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-08 06:59 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. I do not live and work in New York. I live and work in the car CULTure suburbs.
To be clear, I am criticizing the culture of which I am a part.

You got a problem with that?

I was born in Brooklyn though and I have a sense of what it once was and is no more.

What was the Bronx like before the Cross Bronx Expressway sliced in half?

How about Brooklyn before the BQE?

Staten Island before the Verrazano's Bridge?

For that matter, what were San Diego and the LA Basin like before the Freeways?

The fact is that Americans take it for granted that they should do anything in their power to maintain car CULTure status quo.

I think we should be doing something else. How about we stop subsidizing the car culture to the tune of trillions of dollars each year?

How about a few trillion dollars to install electrified light rail in communities. I live in a town that once had less than 3,000 people and had a trolley on Main Street. There were local businesses, hardware stores now replaced by Home Depots, tailors now replaced by Shopping Malls.

There will be no other way until one asks fundemental questions.

But if you must know, my real intent here is to make fun of the anti-nuke cults that when they aren't trying to vandalize the world's largest climate change gas free form of primary energy are coming here to tell us how we can save our car cult with a little more corn and sugar cane.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AlecBGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 02:46 PM
Response to Reply #2
3. Thats the worst part of it NNadir
"... the existence of suburbs ... which derive their existence from the government subsidized highway system."

OUR tax dollars are being spent to destroy rural communities, subdivide and pave over entire COUNTIES, increase pollution, decrease efficiency, AND pollute the planet beyond short-term recovery. We are paying for the gun & bullets used to shoot ourselves. :crazy: Yet bring this up and you're called a loon.

"How can we live without cars!?" they say...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 03:06 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. The suburbs were built by, and for the car culture using enormous government subsidies.
Edited on Sat Sep-27-08 03:06 PM by NNadir
That's all there is to it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Tue May 07th 2024, 05:34 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Environment/Energy Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC