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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 01:14 PM
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Sprayed Aerosols Could Ease Climate Woes
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/12/29/aerosols-climate-change.html

Sprayed Aerosols Could Ease Climate Woes

Irene Klotz, Discovery News

Dec. 29, 2008 -- It won't solve global warming, but a group of scientists are calling for a focused research program to investigate ways to seed the atmosphere with chemicals that would let the heat out -- literally.

Geoengineering is not a new concept. Governments have changed how and where water flows, filled in lakes and other wetlands for construction, even attempted to control the weather. A project to counter climate change, however, would take geoengineering to an entirely new level.

Leaving aside what may be insurmountable political, cultural and ethical issues, scientists meeting at the American Geophysical Conference in San Francisco earlier this month focused on the practical aspects of releasing gases into the stratosphere that could open Earth's greenhouse.



"This brings up the question of who would make that decision," said Alan Robock of Rutgers University. And what temperature the world should be.

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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 01:28 PM
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1. Couldn't something be added to jetfuel exhuast or modify regular airlines
to do this as a matter of routine when they fly about the country?
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 01:40 PM
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2. (Can you say "chemtrails?")
Some say it's already being done. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory

(I'm not one of them.)
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 05:48 PM
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8. DU does such a great job of stifling discussion of this,
You'd think it was deliberate.

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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 02:07 PM
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9. It might be. Maybe it's an organized conspiracy to cover up the chemtrail conspiracy
Edited on Wed Dec-31-08 02:12 PM by OKIsItJustMe
On the other hand, maybe it isn't. Personally, I don't think people look into the sky much these days.

So (for example)
The Sun, the Moon and the planets are some of the most obvious things in the sky, yet people don't recognize their behaviors. I've been watching contrails since I was a child, and what I've heard and read about "chemtrails" sound no different.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 02:29 PM
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3. We already have a big hole in the ozone. Does that help?
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 03:33 PM
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4. No, a hole in the ozone does not help
(But I'm guessing you already knew that.)
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 03:38 PM
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5. Well I kinda figured it didn't since it's been there a long time now and the temps are still going
up.
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 03:53 PM
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6. Computer Models Show Major Climate Shift As A Result Of Closing Ozone Hole
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080612141015.htm

Computer Models Show Major Climate Shift As A Result Of Closing Ozone Hole

ScienceDaily (June 13, 2008) — A new study led by Columbia University researchers has found that the closing of the ozone hole, which is projected to occur sometime in the second half of the 21st century, may significantly affect climate change in the Southern Hemisphere, and therefore, the global climate. The study appears in the June 13th issue of Science.

The Earth's ozone layer is located in the lower stratosphere, which lies just above the troposphere (which begins at the planet's surface and reaches up to about 12 km), catching harmful ultraviolet rays from the sun. Until late in the last century, widespread usage of household and commercial aerosols containing chlorofluorocarbons (CFC), unstable compounds which are carried into the stratosphere, lead to significant and rapid ozone depletion. Due to the Montreal Protocol, signed by 191 countries, CFC production worldwide was phased out in 1996.

Observations in the last few years indicate that ozone depletion has largely halted and is expected to fully reverse. As a consequence, the new study finds, the Southern Hemisphere climate change may also reverse. This would be a very tangible outcome of the Montreal Protocol, which has been called the single most successful international agreement to date, and would demonstrate how international treaties are able to make positive changes to the climate system.

"Our results suggest that stratospheric ozone is important for the Southern Hemisphere climate change, and ought to be more carefully considered in the next set of IPCC model integrations," said Seok-Woo Son, lead-author of the study and a postdoctoral research scientist at Columbia's Fu Foundation School of Engineering and Applied Science (SEAS).

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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 03:57 PM
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7. "he interactions between a recovering ozone hole, increasing greenhouse gases, ocean currents, and
other components of the climate system must still be explored in order to better understand how the Earth's climate will change in the future."

Ain't that the truth. There's so much we do not understand about how our planet works.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 11:58 PM
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10. PBS NOVA: "Dimming the Sun"
Interesting discussion on contrails and their potential cooling effect.



(snippet):
...At least that was the case until September 11, 2001. For the first time since the jet age began, virtually all aircraft were grounded over the United States for three days. Even as they tried like the rest of us to absorb the enormity of the terrorist attacks, climatologists realized they had an unprecedented opportunity to scrutinize individual contrails, and several studies were quickly launched...

...Another study that took advantage of the grounding gave striking evidence of what contrails can do. David Travis of the University of Wisconsin-Whitewater and two colleagues measured the difference, over those three contrail-free days, between the highest daytime temperature and the lowest nighttime temperature across the continental U.S. They compared those data with the average range in day-night temperatures for the period 1971-2000, again across the contiguous 48 states. Travis's team discovered that from roughly midday September 11 to midday September 14, the days had become warmer and the nights cooler, with the overall range greater by about two degrees Fahrenheit.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sun/

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