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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 02:39 PM
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I am not a vegetarian, but after seeing this I may change my mind...
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 02:46 PM
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1. whoa. n/t
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BamaLefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 02:47 PM
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2. Oh...
that is painful to the eyes. Seriously...
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Kindigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 02:50 PM
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3. I am a vegetarian, and live in Iowa
At the IBP plant in Columbus Junction, I about :puke: when I found out they place a cow in a small enclosure, and a huge iron? piston comes down, and beans them on the head. At that point they may or may not be dead when they slit their throats. :cry:
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 05:42 PM
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11. maybe not dead, but certainly stunned
Killing an animal is not a pretty thing at all. If you can't take responsibility for that, then don't eat meat.

I grew up with a grandmother who kept chickens in the back yard. I remember seeing a newly killed chicken on the clothesline, dripping into the garden. She'd wring first, then decapitate when the twitching stopped. Very tidy. Sunday dinners were delicious.

It's amazing how many people don't associate what comes in the supermarket in tidy styrofoam and cellophane packages with the death and then dismemberment of a living, feeling creature.

I'm mostly vegetarian, eat an occasional piece of free range chicken or range fed, organic beef to remind myself that fanaticism is worse for me than meat is.

I just know where it comes from.
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 08:02 PM
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13. "Killing an animal is not a pretty thing at all. If you can't take
responsibility for that, then don't eat meat."

That about sums it up. I realized about three decades I could never bring myself to kill even a chicken, so I stopped eating anything I couldn't kill.

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cattleman22 Donating Member (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 01:28 PM
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24. Stunning is not supposed to kill the animal
The stunning is used to make the animal senseless. The animal is killed through exsanguination. In order for almost all of the blood to be removed, the heart has to keep on pumping.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 03:05 PM
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4. Not a bad reason to consider a compassionate diet.
It's really quite easy to transition, so to speak.

Bear in mind, this is a video of few instances. This happens all the time at processing/slaughterhouses.
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princehal Donating Member (341 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 03:07 PM
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5. Oh
Geeze
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MemphisTiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 03:10 PM
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6. I'm a changed man. I won't be able to eat steak ever again
without thinking of those cows stumbling around. I guess I'll have to get my protein from fish from now on. This is not sarcasm, that video just f@#$ed me up
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Combat Honey Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 03:39 PM
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7. Everybody convert to vegetarism...
Oh my god. OH MY GOD. And how do they dare to tell us that the animals are being slaughtered in a humane way...!And anyways, is there a humane way to SLAUGHTER (!) anything or anyone?
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 04:12 PM
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10. From what I understand...
...this is Kosher processing, I hope standard processing is better.
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 06:11 PM
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12. Yep, only Kosher cattle are killed this way
Your regular supermarket or fast food hamburger probably came from a cow that was killed instantly by a piston-gun (and if not killed instantly, rendered completely senseless).

The Jewish Kosher tradition requires that the animals be killed by slitting their throats and, as you can see in the video, it appears to be far more brutal.
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TO Kid Donating Member (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 08:03 PM
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14. Halal too
IIRC the rules for Halal slaughter are virtually identical.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 11:54 AM
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17. The captive bolt gun is really only
a stunning device. If you really believe that US meat processing factories are remotely humane, The Washington Post did an excellent piece a couple years ago, called "The Die Piece by Piece" of which I'll bet you could Google up a copy.
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 06:31 AM
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21. A stunning device?
I would imagine an animal would be a little bit more than stunned when a 12" steel spike is rammed into it's brain.
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 08:22 AM
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22. Unfortunately though
If the captive bolt gun doesn't hit in the right place (and there is little room for error) it doesn't kill the cow or pig. They are stunned yes but they still feel pain and they still are aware they are being killed. There are many slaughter houses that "dip" pigs into scalding hot water to take the hair off them that are still alive and still kicking and screaming when they come out of the tanks.

Factory farming is not a pretty practice.
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 03:55 PM
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23. Ugh
I'm showing my ignorance of factory farming, thanks for the info. I guess growing up on a family farm makes it hard for me to understand how someone can do things like this to their animals. We raised animals for slaughter, but mainly to small, locally-owned plants that at least had the decency to use a .22 rifle to the head to make sure they were dead before butchering.
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cattleman22 Donating Member (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 01:30 PM
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25. Stun gun is not supposed to kill the animal
The animal needs to have a beating heart for exsanguination to occur properly.
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progressiveBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 06:07 PM
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26. Also read "Fast Food Nation"
You WILL stop eating beef.
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TO Kid Donating Member (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 08:05 PM
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15. But think of the poor veggies!
Torn from the precious earth then dismembered alive! THE HORROR! Of course we know our friends in the animal kingdom are far more caring and gentle while they devour each other.
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progressiveBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 06:09 PM
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27. And they do it to survive
We, however, do not. If the entire world converted to vegetarianism today, there would be no world hunger problem. Do you have any idea how inefficient it is to be a meat eating society?
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sldavis Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 03:43 PM
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8. Oh my GOD!
I don't think I can ever look at beef again. That's aboslutely horrible. I never thought that I would want to stop eating meat. This is probably enough to do it. I'm going to have to show this to my husband.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 04:07 PM
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9. no red meat for me since 2000!
In 1997 I stopped eating pork, because pigs are as intelligent as dogs and I thought it wrong to raise them for meat.

In 2000 I stopped eating beef, because frankly I don't trust my government to keep the mad-cow-disease out of this country!

I still do eat fish and poultry, and along with tofu and beans have been doing just fine. If you are going to eat a lot of fish, you should know that wild fish are healthier for you than farm-raised, because they feed the farm raised fish with chopped up "waste" fish that often are high in mercury. The larger the fish, the higher on the food chain it is, and the more mercury. Yellow-fin Tuna has more than salmon, for example.

This diet also has the advantage of being lower in saturated fat, which is linked to heart disease. You just need to make sure you aren't substituting a lot of high-fat cheeses for your red meat.
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 11:31 AM
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16. I'm already a vegetarian, so I'm not going to bother
seeing the video. Maybe more meat eaters should see it, though. It will make them think again before they bite into that steak or hamburger.
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left15 Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 10:56 PM
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18. my beef comes from a local farmer
I know the cow was treated well and died quickly.
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toddaa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 12:09 AM
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19. Kosher processing plant
Just to be clear, what you are seeing is a improper Kosher slaughter. I'm not Jewish, but I'm quite sure this isn't (gad, a horrid pun) kosher.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:38 AM
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20. it's not just humane animal treatment, it's resource use
Many of the world's massive environmental problems could be solved by the reduction or elimination of meat-eating, including global warming, loss of topsoil, loss of rain forests and species extinction.

The temperature of the earth is rising. This global warming, known as "the greenhouse effect," results primarily from carbon dioxide emissions from burning fossil fuels, such as oil and natural gas. Three times more fossil fuels must be burned to produce a meat-centered diet than for a meat-free diet. If people stopped eating meat, the threat of higher world temperatures would be vastly diminished.

Trees, and especially the old-growth forests, are essential to the survival of the planet. Their destruction is a major cause of global warming and top soil loss. Both of these effects lead to diminished food production. Meat-eating is the number one driving force for the destruction of these forests. Two-hundred and sixty million acres of U.S. forest land has been cleared for cropland to produce the meat-centered diet. Fifty-five square feet of tropical rain forest is consumed to produce every quarter-pound of rain forest beef. An alarming 75%of all U.S. topsoil has been lost to date. Eighty-five percent of this loss is directly related to livestock raising......

much more at link...
https://www.organichealthandbeauty.com/whyeatvegetarian.html
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Lenape85 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 11:16 PM
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28. Although I dislike PETA, tis true....
...that not only do factory farms pollute, the amount of energy needed to roast one beef patty is enough to power a small car for 20 miles.
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