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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 04:31 PM
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Can aircraft trails affect climate?: Grounding planes after the 11 September attacks may not have …
http://www.nature.com/news/2008/081231/full/news.2008.1335.html
Published online 31 December 2008 | Nature | doi:10.1038/news.2008.1335

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Can aircraft trails affect climate?

Grounding planes after the 11 September attacks may not have caused unusual temperature effects.

Anna Barnett

When all commercial air traffic in the United States was grounded after the terrorist attacks of 11 September 2001, scientists got an unexpected opportunity to test ideas about the climate effects of the condensation trails left behind by jets.

A study in 2002 suggested that these contrails could have a significant effect on daily temperature patterns (see 'http://www.nature.com/news/2002/020808/full/news020805-7.html">Air-traffic moratorium opened window on contrails and climate'). But a new analysis now claims that altered US temperature patterns during the three flight-free days can be explained by natural variations in cloud cover, rather than the absence of planes.

Aircraft contrails can spread into cirrus-like clouds high in the atmosphere. Similar to natural clouds, they are thought to have an overall warming effect on the planet. But they can also moderate daily temperature extremes by trapping heat that escapes from the ground and reflecting sunlight. This raises the lowest overnight temperatures and, to a lesser degree, reduces the highs during daylight hours, scientists have suggested.

With air traffic projected to grow by 2–5% per year in the near future — amounting to at least a tripling in traffic by 2050 — the effects of contrails are expected to become an increasingly important factor in climate change. But atmospheric scientists are still unsure about the scale of the contrails' impact.

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NoodleBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 04:35 PM
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1. er. well. duh.
Not all aircraft produce contrails.

And when contrails are produced, they're thin and tenuous.

Comparing aircraft contrails and naturally-forming clouds is like comparing a human hair to a heavy knotted rope, even when all air traffic across the world is considered.
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chucktaylor Donating Member (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 04:43 PM
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2. But, but the chemtrails and HARP and .....
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 04:47 PM
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3. The absense of the contrails
raised the temperature across the USA by one degree measured on average across all sites.

It was the subject to a BBC Horizons documentary on the subject of global dimming. It's worth reading through all of this : http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/dimming_trans.shtml

Of particular interest may the measurable fact that in Israel , for example,sunlight reaching ground level had dropped by 22% since the mid 1950's.

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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 04:56 PM
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4. You may want to read the rest of the Nature article
Edited on Thu Jan-01-09 04:58 PM by OKIsItJustMe
(This new analysis claims the lack of contrails didn't have much to do with it.)
… Examining patterns of cloud cover and temperature in early September at US weather stations from 1971 to 2001, Hong and his colleagues found that thicker, low clouds are the dominant influence on temperature extremes, whereas high clouds such as contrails have a minor effect at most. …
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 05:14 PM
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5. I can't access it from the link
and I'm not too bothered anyway. I have no sound reason to suppose that particle pollutants don't reflect back the suns rays, given results elsewhere , and that as a result the true effect of global warming is being artificially suppressed. It's the USA which will be most affected by pollution of that nature coming over from China and as you may have gathered I'm UK.
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 05:28 PM
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6. You may want to try the actual analysis
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azul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 07:04 PM
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7. dilemma: solar panels or ameliorate GW?
Less sunlight for the solar industry to reduce carbon emissions, or perhaps be able to control world cooking effects by flying thousands of airplanes around and around the earth on oil?

How's about self-propelled solarelectric blimps and boats and trains, and slow down a little.

Like I think it was Stymie on the Little Rascals said careening down a hill in a runaway car, "I don't know where we're going, but we're on our way..."
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 07:48 PM
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8. Sounds like the anti-global warming crowd.
Granted, I live less than two miles from a major airport, but I'm not the only person I know who was breathing a whole lot better in the days following 9/11 - or who noticed how much clearer and brighter the sky was.

There was a study done showing that the grounding led to warmer days and cooler nights - no vapor to reflect the sunlight or to hold in the re-radiated heat.

Whether or not contrails are visible to the naked eye, burning fossil fuels creates water vapor.
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