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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 04:58 PM
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Grilling with charcoal less climate-friendly than grilling with propane
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-05/e-gwc051209.php
Public release date: 12-May-2009

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Grilling with charcoal less climate-friendly than grilling with propane

Amsterdam, 12 May 2009 – Do biofuels always create smaller carbon footprints than their fossil-fuel competitors? Not necessarily, finds a paper published today in Elsevier's Environmental Impact Assessment Review (http://www.elsevier.com/locate/eiar). The article, "Charcoal versus LPG grilling: a carbon-footprint comparison," reports that in the UK, the carbon footprint for charcoal grilling is almost three times as large as that for LPG grilling. (Liquefied petroleum gas (LPG), often referred to as propane, is a mixture of mostly propane and butane).

The overwhelming factors behind the difference, notes author Eric Johnson, are that as a fuel, LPG is dramatically more efficient than charcoal in its production and considerably more efficient in cooking. Charcoal is produced by heating wood in a kiln; commercial yields of charcoal are only in the 20-35% range, i.e. most of the rest of the wood is converted to gas and emitted into the atmosphere. Yields of LPG, by contrast, are greater than 90%.

LPG grills are akin to conventional cookers and ovens, in that they have power ratings and can easily be switched on and off. By contrast, charcoal grills do not offer easy mechanisms for regulating fuel consumption, and Johnson explained: "The primary factor in determining fuel consumption is the griller's loading, which is determined by the amount of charcoal that is used along with the quality and quantity of starting-aid that is required. "

Developing countries, primarily in Africa, are likely to be the source of charcoal loaded in the UK, the study points out. Contrary to a claim by the European Commission that "Trade in charcoal from Africa to the EU is not significant," 1 in 2008, the UK imported 80% of its charcoal from developing countries, and 50% of its charcoal from Africa. Nearly 70% of the total import comes from South Africa, Argentina, Namibia and Nigeria.

Forest stocks in the latter three countries are in decline, according to the UN's Food and Agricultural Organization, as they are on a global scale, especially in the developing world.
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1 www.europarl.europa.eu/meetdocs/2004_2009/documents/cm/729/729457/729457en.pdf

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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 05:07 PM
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1. Hank Hill has been telling us this for years. nt
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Butch350 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 05:20 PM
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2. Looks like I'll just keep on polluting then.
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 06:14 PM
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3. But soooo much tastier...
Hey, I use my solar oven, too
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Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 06:41 PM
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4. Don't forget it takes energy to make charcoal...
also







I'm not gonna give my charcoal grill :9
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8 track mind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 06:50 PM
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5. i never really cared for charcoal, i thought it always had a chemical taste to it
I prefer to use real wood. When i go up to my property in oklahoma, i pick up all the dead branches i can find and take them back with me. Oak and Hickory are yuuuuuuuumy!!!!!
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 08:31 PM
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6. Hickory coals cook the best steaks in the world. nt
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 06:33 AM
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9. And if you are using a big green egg the steaks will literally melt in your mouth
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 05:31 AM
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7. I use real wood also
What's really sad is that the use of charcoal instead of wood is evidence that most Americans have lost that most fundamental of human skills -- making a fire.

They'd rather buy a toxic mix of factory waste and coal, douse it with petroleum and eat stuff flavored with the fumes of that crap than learn how to do a simple task humans have been doing for hundreds of thousands of years -- making a wood fire.
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 09:44 AM
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10. If you are using charcoal, light it with a chimney starter
My Sister and her husband got our Dad one of these:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000WEOQV8/


(No more lighter fluid.)

However, I've known people to use a simple coffee can quite effectively.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 10:25 AM
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11. I've heard they work well
But I guess I like having honed the skill of making a fire. I also don't use bricketts. I saw on the history channel that they were often made with a mix of charcoal and fossil COAL which one should never cook with directly.

I use a mix of partly burned wood from the last bbq, wood and natural chunk charcoal -- arranged the way I was taught in a village in Africa many years ago, as a V. The starter is simply cooking oil and newspaper and wood splinters, or if I have some, a bit of fatwood. The fire starts faster and is more "surefire" than any other method I've tried.

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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 10:48 AM
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12. Every Summer, I teach kids how to make such a fire, except I don't allow them to use oil or paper
Edited on Thu May-14-09 10:48 AM by OKIsItJustMe
I use the “3 match rule” (I tell ’em “If 3 matches didn’t work, a 4th match probably won’t either… rebuild it.”)

By the end of the week, cooking every meal over a wood fire, they're fairly good at it.

But, I gotta tell you, a chimney starter is fast.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 01:42 PM
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13. That's great for them!
Connects them to a few hundred thousand years of human history.

When I was growing up, I visited my grandparents' farm every year and my grandma had a wood stove. But they never cooked outdoors, and lighting a wood stove for them was a matter of tossing in some newspaper, kerosene and wood -- nothing skilled about it.

Cooking buttermilk biscuits in a wood stove -- now that's where the skill came in!
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 02:19 PM
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14. (Except for the matches)
I've been tempted to teach them how to use flint or a bow and spindle, but I want to eat! As it is, early in the week, it can take them hours to get a decent cooking fire going. ;)

I dunno, maybe this year I'll at least demonstrate… (so little time… so much to teach…)
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8 track mind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 02:37 PM
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15. my Dad taught me the "box" method. Has anyone ever heard of this?
He taught me to take some kindling/small sticks and make a 5" by 5" box about 5 inches high and on the top level place sticks all the way across, sort of putting a lid on the box. put your easy burn fuel at the very bottom of the box and light it. It works every time.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 03:14 PM
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16. Yep. Works at any scale, grill to bonfire size nt
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 04:31 PM
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17. Yeah, that's one method
The "box" method you describe is particularly helpful when you're trying to build a fire in the rain. (I learned it as a "platform fire.")

There's what I learned as a "council fire." (Build your "box" with dense layers.)
There's a simpler "lean-to" method. (Think of it as a collapsed box.)
There's the "tepee" method, which I'm fairly fond of.

Then there's what I call the confused jumble method.

There are 2 key factors I teach the kids:
  1. Fires need oxygen.
  2. Fires burn up, not down.


Different methods work better in different conditions, for different purposes.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 08:18 PM
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18. I make my own
From sheet metal chimney extensions, and wire mesh. It's quite easy.
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 09:27 AM
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19. As I said, I've seen people use a coffee can
Edited on Fri May-15-09 09:27 AM by OKIsItJustMe
Take both ends off, use a "church key" to open vent holes at the base. Put some newspaper in the bottom, put charcoal on top. Light the newspaper through the vent holes.

(Simplicity itself.)
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YankeyMCC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 05:34 AM
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8. I only bbq a few times a year and only with natural Hard Wood charcoal
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