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guardian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-23-09 02:37 PM Original message |
Biofuels Damage the Environment |
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ejpoeta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-23-09 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
1. uggh! well, i am hoping for some solar breakthroughs that would make it |
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Sinistrous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-23-09 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
2. This "report" alleges that the PLANTS used to make biofuels |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-23-09 04:23 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Because you have a tin ear? |
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Sinistrous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 08:09 AM Response to Reply #3 |
15. The OP said "PLANTS", not "FARMING to grow the plants". |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 11:05 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. You accused the ICSU of "junk science" |
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Sinistrous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 12:05 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. It would have been junk science if they had said what the OP |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 12:43 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Tap, tap tap... Way...down upon the Swanneeeeeee River.... |
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Sinistrous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 10:38 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. I hope you don't get hurt too badly falling off |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 12:58 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. YOU said that the most prestgious scientific NGO in the WORLD produced "junk science" |
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Sinistrous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 06:00 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Is this echo resonating |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 06:43 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. The OP didn't mislead, YOU judged without knowledge. |
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Sinistrous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 10:15 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. The "messenger" I was reading is |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 11:16 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. The "report" was written by the ICSU. |
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Sinistrous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-27-09 02:22 AM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Some people can read and apply logic. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-27-09 02:45 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Sayonara. |
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Fledermaus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-23-09 09:48 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Yes, plants don't produce N2O |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 07:23 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Pesky scientific nuances |
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Fledermaus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 10:13 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Its not a recent area of study, Its been well understood for some time. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 12:17 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. It's old news, but a 2007 paper is raising peoples' hackles? |
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Fledermaus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 09:27 AM Response to Reply #9 |
16. It sounds like another bunch of kooks that missed the boat. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 11:33 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Kooks? The ICSU is probably the most respected scientific NGO in the world |
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Fledermaus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 05:18 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. Gosh, plants don't create N2O pollution, and neither you nor the previous poster or |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 06:52 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. I agree about the waste products and capturing methane |
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Fledermaus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 11:07 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Your funny Robert, the less you understand the more noise you make. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 11:18 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Robert? |
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excess_3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-23-09 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
4. biofuel ... better than petroleum from the middle east |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-23-09 07:52 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. The problem is, |
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EvilStepfather (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 09:54 PM Response to Reply #5 |
18. IF the economy keeps tanking |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 01:42 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. If biofuels actually accerate global warming, we'll be fighting wars over food and water |
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excess_3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 05:51 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. how so?, most studies (IIRC) rate biofuels are neutral |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 08:25 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. That's the claim - in most cases it is false. |
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Ready4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
11. Interesting. Read deeper and you find FERTILIZERS are the real problem. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 07:45 AM Response to Original message |
14. Correction: geoagriculture damages the environment. |
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EvilStepfather (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 09:52 PM Response to Original message |
17. So let's throw out the baby with the bathwater |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 11:38 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. You don't know what you are talking about. |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 05:06 AM Response to Reply #17 |
24. Those plants that "aren't good for anything" growing on that marginal land are vital to wildlife |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 07:06 PM Response to Original message |
31. This group's conclusion is based on the ideas of P.J. Crutze, Max Planck Inst. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 11:40 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. The IPCC didn't really look at nitrogen, did they? |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-27-09 02:54 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Oh yeah, I think they checked everything. see links: |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-27-09 04:56 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Yes, I know they looked at it |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 12:53 PM Response to Reply #31 |
43. With all the "faster than expected" reports coming out |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 11:20 PM Response to Original message |
36. How much N2O does Algae give off? |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 04:37 AM Response to Original message |
42. Err ... people? |
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guardian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 03:52 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. What "carefully (re-)worded" ????? |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-29-09 03:17 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. I think most bio-fuels are a bad idea too ... |
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