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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 12:41 PM
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Old Wood Is New Coal as Polluters Embrace Carbon-Eating Trees
Power companies are burning trees because they’re renewable and can be cheaper than coal. Wood needs no permit to release carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas blamed for global warming.

(...)

Using biomass for power and heat -- mainly from poplar, willow and pine trees -- grew by 25 percent during the past two decades, according to the International Energy Agency, the Paris-based adviser to 28 oil-consuming nations such as the U.S.

Industrialized nations got 4 percent of their energy from biomass in 2006, the most recent data available from the IEA. That was the equivalent of 151 million tons of oil.

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While forests blanket about a third of the planet’s land surface, they’re being harvested or burned at a rate that reduces tree cover by a Greece-sized area each year, sparking concern about whether replanting efforts will keep pace.

“There’s a strong limit to supply,” said Albrecht von Sydow, chief executive of Woodstone, a U.S. maker of wood pellets. Demand for the company’s pellets exceeds supply and this year’s production is already sold out, he said.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&sid=ardNIC7rNzQE

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Fotoware58 Donating Member (473 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 01:17 PM
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1. The other shoe is dropping
I guess it is time for the private timber owners to forget about cutting trees for boards and switch over to a vastly more profitable effort to turn their remaining stretched-to-the-limit forests into power for the masses. The upcoming government ban on using Federal biomass as a renewable form of power will ensure that private profits will be maximized at the expense of non-public forests. Plus, private industry would not have to fool around with carbon credits and such because the IPCC considers that burning trees are "relatively carbon-neutral" (an idea that I quite disagree with!).

Combine that with purposely incinerated public forests and we have a gloomy but well-powered welcome to the new age of forest detruction!
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 01:39 PM
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2. I really dislike superficial reporting on biomass burning as "carbon neutral."
I mean, yes it's carbon neutral if you are harvesting at <= the replacement rate. But we're not.
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Fotoware58 Donating Member (473 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 02:10 PM
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3. Who says?
There has been a 10-fold reduction in harvests on Federal lands since 1988. We are currently only harvesting 6% of each year's annual growth. Meanwhile, mortality has increased from 23% to 36%, and all that accumulated carbon and resource benefits go up in smoke. But, that is only on public lands. You're exactly right if you are only talking about private forests. That being said, burning trees in biomass boilers is still "greener" than just letting forests burn without pollution controls or human benefit.

Once again, wildfires are ALWAYS bad for the environment
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 02:15 PM
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4. "harvested or burned at a rate that reduces tree cover by a Greece-sized area each year"
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Fotoware58 Donating Member (473 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 02:39 PM
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5. Worldwide, yes
But here in America, those figures I provided are proof enough that we need to be progressive enough to accept scientifically-sound science to save forests and offset or eliminate other forms of dirty energy. The international problem will continue to get worse and worse, where foreign forests have little to no environmental controls. This trend of using more trees to try and meet an ever-increasing power appetite has HUGE ecological implications outside of the US. If we don't change our own energy production portfolios to utilize the extreme amounts of excess woody biomass, both nuclear and coal usage will continue to be used instead, waiting for solar and other clean energy forms to pick up the slack.

What do we do with all that excess live and dead biomass?? Currently, the Obama Administration is committed to letting it burn, often for months at a time, with all the bad impacts that seem so easily glossed over by urbanites so far from the flames and smoke and destruction.
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 10:23 PM
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8. What is your point? That inhaling PM10 and levoglucasans and PAH's is safer
Edited on Tue Jun-02-09 10:30 PM by NNadir
than nuclear energy?

The WHO estimated that about 1.5 million people died from biomass burning last year, mostly in the third world, although there are lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of discussions in the scientific literature about the impact of wood burning in Europe and other places like say, Colorado.

Can you produce a record of 1.5 million people killed in the entire history of nuclear energy?

Last I looked the people of http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/11/16/10438/196">Cameroon weren't consuming quite like a bunch of people whining on the internet that "Conservation will save us" while running their computers, each of which consumes more energy than 10 Cameroonians.

The fact is that solar PV energy - a distributed energy toxicological nightmare will never be as clean as nuclear energy, nor, for that matter, will wind energy, nor, especially, biomass. Therefore for environmental reasons it is wise to use more nuclear energy, not less.

That is also well documented in the LCA literature. My favorite paper on this subject is Denholm, Environ. Sci. Technol. 2005, 39, 1903-1911, "Emissions and Energy Efficiency Assessment of Baseload Wind Energy Systems" which besides being a paen to dangerous natural gas burning, also plainly confesses that wind energy can never be as safe as nuclear energy from a climate perspective. That's as in N-E-V-E-R.

As it happens, wind is the best form of the dubious so called "renewable" energy systems. Solar is pretty bad, but biomass is worse.

The rote assumption that "excess biomass" can and should be used readily ignores the fact that biomass was the main source of heat energy on this planet from preliterate times until about 1800.

There was huge problem with that, which is why humanity - operating with a population that was 1/6 of our modern population, abandoned "excess forest" use, which was, essentially, the entire forest.

I have referenced an excellent work on the history of the British decision to ban coal in a writing here: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/NNadir/20
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Fotoware58 Donating Member (473 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 11:29 PM
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10. Ya know...
This IS the new millenium and we DO have technological solutions to make electricity from biomass in a safe and efficient manner. Burlington, VT has a working biomass boiler that does extremely well. Biomass cannot be considered a complete solution but, it CAN be a part of a portfolio of different energy sources better for the enviroment in many ways, some of which you maybe haven't even considered.

Excuse me if I don't drink the Nuclear Kool-Aid.
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Fledermaus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 09:05 PM
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6. You think so. What part of the world?
FOREST HISTORY AND TRENDS
Many US forests, particularly those in the eastern US, were heavily depleted during the 19th century due to agricultural land clearing, logging and massive wildfires. The forest conservation policy framework that emerged after 1900 to address these concerns included efforts: (1) to promote and encourage the protection of forests and grasslands, regardless of their ownership, from wildfire; (2) to acquire scientific knowledge on the management of forests and wildlife and on the more efficient utilization of wood products; (3) to reserve remaining public lands for permanent use, management, and protection, e.g., national forests, national parks, national wildlife refuges, etc., and (4) to improve the management and productivity of private forests and agricultural lands through research and technical and financial assistance to landowners.

The means for implementing this conservation strategy included public and private research and extension, establishment of professional forestry and natural resource colleges and universities, and a variety of public and private partnerships, e.g. cooperative fire protection involving federal, state and private entities, among others.

A snapshot of current conditions is as follows:

After two centuries of decline, the area of US forestland stabilized in about 1920 and has since increased slightly. The forest area of the US is about two-thirds what it was in 1600.
The area consumed by wildfire each year has fallen 90 percent; it was between eight and twenty million hectares (20-50 million acres) in the early 1900s and is between one and two million hectares (2-5 million acres) today.
Forest growth nationally has exceeded harvest since the 1940s. By 1997 forest growth exceeded harvest by 42 percent and the volume of forest growth was 380 percent greater than it had been in 1920.
Nationally, the average standing wood volume per acre in US forests is about one-third greater today than in 1952; in the East, average volume per acre has almost doubled. About three-quarters of the volume increase is in broad leaved or deciduous trees.
Populations of many wildlife species have increased dramatically since 1900. But some species, especially some having specialized habitat conditions, remain the cause for concern.
Tree planting on all forestland rose dramatically after World War II, reaching record levels in the 1980s. Many private forestlands are now actively managed for tree growing and other values and uses.
Recreational use on national forests and other public and private forest lands has increased manyfold .
American society in the 20th century has changed from rural and agrarian to urban and industrialized. This has caused a shift in the mix of uses and values the public seeks from its forests (particularly its pubic forests). Increased demands for recreation and protection of biodiversity are driving forest management. This has caused timber harvest from federal lands to decline by more than 60 percent since 1990. In spite of this shift, today's urbanized nation is also placing record demands on its forests for timber production.
http://www.fao.org/docrep/meeting/x4995e.htm#P56_2748


Economic Growth And The Rise Of Forests*
Although forests have diminished globally over the past 400 years, forest cover has increased in some areas, including India in the last two decades. Aggregate time-series evidence on forest growth rates and income growth across countries and within India and a newly assembled data set that combines national household survey data, census data, and satellite images of land use in rural India at the village level over a 29-year period are used to explore the hypothesis that increases in the demand for forest products associated with income and population growth lead to forest growth.
http://www.mitpressjournals.org/doi/abs/10.1162/003355303321675464

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malakai2 Donating Member (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 09:24 PM
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7. No way
If forest health is such that the standing fuels will support a fire, be it a cool ground fire or an inferno of a running crown fire, there are two natural ways to reduce the load. One is decomposition of dead material, the other is burning of live and dead material. Humans CAN manipulate the system to favor one or the other, or even minimize both in favor of harvest, but then you're creating a whole host of other problems associated with managed landscapes, as well as artificially limiting ecosystem variability temporally and spatially.

As for the carbon offset, if we're burning biomass equivalent to or less than the primary production of the species being harvested, fine. We'd probably still be altering ecosystem types beyond recognition, but I suppose losing both the early regeneration phase and climax phase of, say, boreal forests is preferable to losing every stage of other ecosystem types to climate change.
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Fotoware58 Donating Member (473 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 11:21 PM
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9. Maybe so for eastern forests
Edited on Tue Jun-02-09 11:33 PM by Fotoware58
but, here in the dry forests of the west, fuels take decades to decompose. Add to that the fact that fires have been suppressed for so long that the fuel buildups are almost unmanagable. In many western forests, the fuel loads are way too much to even attempt controlled burns because of the extreme risks of losing containment. This example of burned old growth in the Biscuit Fire dramatically shows how devastating wildfires are out here

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You'll notice that this unlogged old growth stand suffered nearly 100% mortality, merely from "natural" fuels buildup. Remember, this picture was taken less than 30 miles from the wet Oregon coast.

We have a group of varying techniques and treatments to fit almost every condition we see out in the woods. Some of the options can be quite expensive and can be eliminated outright because of cost. Other options can also be eliminated because they aren't ecologically-sound or don't fit the conditions. If climate change is truly occurring on a continuing global basis, then hands-on management must be increased to deal with the increasing buildup of fuels. Letting "nature takes its course" isn't a natural cure-all because most forests, especially dry western forests, are simply not "natural", as in how they were before the Lewis and Clark.

Not surprisingly, a significant amount of forests are beyond our economical help. They are so extremely impacted that restoration is impossible. Those patches need to be isolated and surrounded by treated stands to help contain the inevitable firestorm. This shows that we are indeed past the tipping point of forest resiliency and capability to recover. Basically, we'll need to analyze and triage forests, accepting that we screwed up and doomed that stand.

Preservationism involves eliminating its "cultural structure" created and so treasured by ancient Indians. Who are we to think that OUR vision of what forests SHOULD be, compared to how the Indians managed their own forests. The Forest Service HAS made great strides towards forest restoration but, there certainly ARE some old "dinosaurs" out there who would try to subvert true forest restoration.
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Fotoware58 Donating Member (473 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 08:39 PM
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13. Too bad...
that forest fires aren't burning and killing trees (including old growth) at <= "the replacement rate", eh?

The IPCC purposely leaves out human-enhanced catastrophic fires in their CO2 scenarios, pretending that those fires are carbon-neutral and "natural". As soils burn at high intensity, their capacity to support carbon-sequestering vegetation gets less and less every time it burns. That, my friends, means that more and more CO2 stays in our atmosphere.

Too much partisan politics on both sides and not enough science!

MORE SCIENCE, PLEASE!!
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kgrandia Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 10:26 PM
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14. Even more prerverse
Is that as climate change progresses, it is making it harder and harder for trees to grow and arable lands are becoming deserts, so I guess its only a matter of time that we burn our way through the forest reserves we have left.

http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/effects/forests.html
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wuvuj Donating Member (874 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 06:04 AM
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11. Obama is Anti-Environmental?

http://www.alternet.org/environment/140297/how_much_has_changed_obama_administration_deals_series_of_anti-environmental_blows/?page=entire


With little more than 100 days in office, the Democrats, under the leadership of President Barack Obama, have unleashed a slew of anti-environmental policies that would have enraged any reasonable conservationist during the Bush years.

.....

Looks like a race to the bottom? See how many energy and natural resources we can exploit?
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Fotoware58 Donating Member (473 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 09:45 AM
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12. No worries about timber sales....Eco's will always sue
"So look for a new wave of timber sales on federal lands, sanctified in the name of fighting climate change, categorically excluded from full environmental analysis and enthusiastically supported by so-called collaborative groups who will be first in line to cash in on the lucrative logging contracts. Greens with chainsaws."

I just don't see this happening for many years until somehow, the public, the Congress and the courts are educated about the horrors of catastrophic wildfires and how they impact all of the planet, often in ways you would never guess. The radical eco's, or just the kneejerk hoodwinked public, would rather see trees go up in smoke in wildfires than to have a thinning project safeguard our forests. We HAVE reached and passed the tipping point of forests and wildfires are now unmanagable (especially the government's Let-Burn Program).

The real choices are to either let forests, including old growth, burn to the ground in catastrophic fires or to use the latest and greatest science to manage our forests back to their "natural" splendor. Eco's would have you thinking that Federal foresters would clearcut and build 20,000 miles of new roads but, that just isn't the case. Eco's would also have you think the Forest Service would cut and sell entire forests in log form to the Japanese and other countries but, that is and has been against the law for quite some time. Eco's would also have you thinking that logging slash is never cleaned up and that loggers destroy forests but, that also is far, far from the truth. When I worked for the USFS, I was an inspector of timber sales and there are huge contracts covering all the bases. Even down to lunch litter off the log landing. I'm not saying that all timber sale inspectors are as tough as I was, though. Sadly, people with those skills are leaving the USFS and there aren't many new ones in the pipeline.

All of that is just fine and dandy but, the biggest and most impossibly-difficult hurdle is the courts. With all the confusing and conflicting tangle of rules, laws and policies, and the pig-headedness of high court judges (who think they can keep up with and understand the latest science), any new push for giant biomass projects will be doomed to failure. The eco-lawyer industry has the government by the balls on this and some lawyers live a life of luxury by timber sale litigation. It is extremely easy for an eco-lawyer to get paid by only needing to win on just one issue in a lawsuit, due to the sheer complexity of project documentation. The lure of money does predictable things to people.

All I am trying to do is educate people about the scientific truth of just how awful shape our forests are in and the danger to us humans.

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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-04-09 04:55 AM
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15. The image that brought to mind:


Chaco Canyon.
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