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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 06:26 PM
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Cloud ships on course to beat climate change, says Copenhagen study
Edited on Fri Aug-07-09 06:31 PM by OKIsItJustMe
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6742023.ece

From The Times
August 7, 2009

Cloud ships on course to beat climate change, says Copenhagen study

They sound like ideas from a Jules Verne novel, but giant engineering schemes designed to alter the climate offer the cheapest way of avoiding catastrophic global warming, according to a growing number of scientists and green-minded entrepreneurs.

Most of the schemes have been dismissed as impossibly expensive or impractical, such as the proposal to create a space sunshade by using rockets to deploy millions of mirrors in the stratosphere.

One relatively cheap solution, however, is gaining favour among many different groups and is endorsed today by an independent study that compares the costs and benefits of all the main ideas. A wind-powered fleet of 1,900 ships would criss-cross the oceans, sucking up sea water and spraying it from the top of tall funnels to create vast white clouds.

These clouds would reflect a tiny proportion, between 1 and 2 per cent, of the sunlight that would otherwise warm the ocean. This would be enough to cancel out the greenhouse effect caused by carbon dioxide emissions. The ships would be unmanned and directed by satellite to locations with the best conditions for increasing cloud cover. They would mainly operate in the Pacific, far enough from land to avoid interfering with rainfall.



(See also: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=115&topic_id=204398&mesg_id=204398">Quick climate changes fixes come with huge dangers, warn scientists)
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theophilus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 06:30 PM
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1. As long as we are agreed we get off petroleum products. I would be
for a stopgap measure or three to give us some time. We need to realize that we must reduce our population before "Mother" Nature does it for us, too. IMO
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 06:51 PM
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3. Stopgap measures are fine
as long as we don't use them as an excuse to not make the real changes that are necessary.

If we keep increasing atmospheric CO2 then eventually these ships will no longer be able to compensate. Even if they could, we could end up in a situation where CO2 is so high that any halt in the operation of these ships would result in rapid disaster.

Keep in mind, also, that warming isn't the only danger from too much CO2. Ocean acidification is also a problem, one that these ships wouldn't prevent.
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 06:59 PM
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4. It occurred to me
So long as you have this fleet of ships crossing the ocean, how about if they scavenge some carbon while they're there.

Caveat Lector: I've given this a few seconds of not very careful thought.
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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 06:44 PM
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2. It must be something in the water
Bjørn Lomborg, The Little Mermaid, quantum mechanics, and now eco-steam-punk.

Weird place, Copenhagen.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 08:46 PM
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5. What ever it is
that those people are drinking I don' want any.
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 11:10 PM
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6. Why not just get big, giant, swell rockets and tow the earth out to a farther orbit?
Wouldn't that work?

It would be far easier than, um, worrying about all the brazillions and brazillions and brazillions of deaths caused each week by so called "nuclear waste."
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 05:22 AM
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7. "designed to alter the climate"
We're not trying to stop climate change as much as we're trying to stop consequences for actions. Changing the climate to stop climate change. It just continues to make more sense every time I hear it.
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