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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:45 AM
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Russian Renewable Energy Accident kills 11, with 32 missing.
People will be talking about this, I bet, for 30 years, endlessly, as they seek to ban the scourge of dangerous renewable energy accidents.

Well 30 minutes at least...

Speaking of selective attention of course this accident is small potatoes when compared with the Banqiao dam disaster in the early 70's that killed more than 200,000 people in a single night.

The agony over Banqiao is still palable, with world wide anguish now reaching a crescendo.

Just kidding...

Here's the details on the latest disaster:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=abTSuT2fsxR4">Russian Power Plant Accident Kills 11; 32 Missing

Aug. 17 (Bloomberg) -- At least 11 people died and 32 were missing after an accident at Russia’s largest hydropower station that halted electricity production and threatened aluminum output at United Co. Rusal and steelmaking at Evraz Group SA.

A “water surge” flooded the turbine room at the Sayano- Shushenskaya station in eastern Siberia, state-run owner OAO RusHydro said. Three units were destroyed and another three damaged in the incident at about 8:15 a.m. local time, it said.

One man suffering from hypothermia was pulled alive from the plant after about 16 hours, while at least 11 were injured, spokesman Yevgeny Druzyaka said by phone from the site.

Prime Minister Vladimir Putin ordered the creation of a commission to oversee restoration of output at the plant, which provides more than a quarter of RusHydro’s generation capacity. Rusal, the world’s largest aluminum producer, said annual output may drop 500,000 metric tons after the accident. Evraz, Russia’s second-biggest steelmaker, said its operations were affected.

“This is the first serious accident” in Russia’s power industry since the government finished the breakup and sale of Unified Energy Systems last July, said Dmitry Skryabin and Mikhail Rasstrigin, analysts at VTB Capital in Moscow.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:54 AM
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1. You are absolutely right. Nothing is 100% safe.
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 01:00 AM
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2. Interestingly enough, the Grand Teton collapse in the US killed 11, and 18,000 animals.
It was on June 5, 1976.

It was just about 3 years before Three Mile Island which killed zero people.

I keep asking myself why is it that we have a big commentary on every anniversary of Three Mile Island, but none on this.

Of course, I also want to know why no one give's a rat's ass if a few hundred thousand people here each year from the normal operations of coal plants.

I don't get a good answer, although some guy here today announced that he favors investing hundreds of billions of dollars in new toxic coal plants, toxic IGCC hell machines that remove only 40% of the Mountaintops that traditional toxic coal plants produce.

This is part of the new mathematics that says 40% = 0, the sort of thing I have to confront continuously.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 01:06 AM
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3. The MSM celabrates Three Mile Island the same way it
celebrates 9/11, Lockerbie, Bopul, Katrina, The Great Chicago Fire, etc. What else do you expect. As for coal, shitty no matter how you look at it.
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 01:19 AM
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4. I don't expect anything, especially from journalists, whose job is to raise excitement.
Edited on Tue Aug-18-09 01:26 AM by NNadir
even if the excitement they raise involves irrational responses.

I recently had a very nasty run in with a bathetic journalist with a poor science education who had worked up a very bathetic story about a Navajo uranium miner and then accused me of having "talking points," when I noted that lots and lots and lots and lots of energy miners that do not mine uranium die of cancers and other diseases. In fact there was a pretty awful story about the leukemia rates on Norwegian oil platforms, but not a peep out the MSM. You have to find this stuff in the primary scientific literature.

He sent me a very insulting email a while back to which I am not responding out of contempt...
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 01:33 AM
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5. I work in the oilfields and there are plenty of reasons to contract
bizarre cancers. Anything from inhaling NORM's to the use of nuclear sources to neutron generators for down hole logging. Hell, it could be any of the metals and corrosion inhibitors used throughout the industry. Doesn't surprise me.
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:03 AM
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6. Petroleum itself is known to be carcinogenic, chiefly owing to the aromatics.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 03:17 AM
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7. Light ends of crude oil is very unhealthy.
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iiibbb Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 09:14 AM
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8. I've never been sure why Hydropower enjoys "renewable" status.
Eventually the dams silt up. They are a major disruption to wildlife.

They are a non-emission power source, but not exactly "renewable".
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 09:39 AM
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9. Yes, they can silt up astonishingly fast, depending on silt load.
At which point they not only become useless, they become an enormous hazard.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:03 PM
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13. It "enjoys" renewable status because it is renewable.
In a global cycle the Sun initiates water transport replenishing energy stored behind dam via rainfall. Hydro is as renewable as it gets.

Silt is a maintenance problem.

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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 09:58 AM
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10. 64 now feared dead.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 10:43 AM
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11. Are the flood waters going to cause an epidemic of thyroid cancers?
How widely were radioactive toxins dispersed from the hydroelectric plant?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Have they had to cover the entire plant in a concrete sarcophagus?
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