Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

"Car Ownership Cannot Be Sacrificed In The Fight Against Climate Change, Tony Blair Said In Beijing"

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Environment/Energy Donate to DU
 
hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 12:18 PM
Original message
"Car Ownership Cannot Be Sacrificed In The Fight Against Climate Change, Tony Blair Said In Beijing"
Car ownership cannot be sacrificed in the fight against climate change, Tony Blair said today in Beijing, despite a projected tripling of traffic in China over the next decade.

In a report forecasting 150m cars on China's roads, which will produce a fifth of global exhaust emissions by 2020, the former UK prime minister said it was impractical to expect governments to curb sales. "I think the way we consume has to change, but I think it is completely unrealistic to say to people you can't have a car, you can't use a motorbike. It is just not going to happen," he said.

Instead, he said, the focus should be on developing low-carbon technology and expanding the manufacturing and infrastructure for hybrid and electric vehicles. He was talking at the launch of a new report by his Climate Group, which suggests the world's most populous nation is taking the lead in many fields of low-carbon industry.

While many environmentalists stress the need to curb consumption worldwide to deal with global warming, Blair emphasised change rather than sacrifice. "We are changing the way we live not so that we don't consume and get the material benefits that people like ourselves actually enjoy, but we are changing it so that we do so in a way that is sustainable," he said.

EDIT

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/aug/20/tony-blair-cars-china

Well, I guess we know what's not on the table then, don't we?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 12:21 PM
Response to Original message
1. they are *all* bagmen for corporations -- nothing more
It's hard to imagine any meaningful change coming before widespread collapse...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 12:29 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. Sadly, you're right.
The politicians who are not betrayers of their people can probably be counted on one hand.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #2
5. and/or -- per your avatar -- wind up with "interesting" fates...
n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #5
6. Yeah, that too.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 12:30 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. Sad, but true...the UK was controlled by the coal industry for a long, long time.
Old habits die hard.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 12:31 PM
Response to Original message
4. Lessee...
...a car or posterity...gee...that's a toughie. I'm going with the car.

:sarcasm:

Nice to see Blair is consistent, tough. He's still a corporation-fellating twit.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 02:46 PM
Response to Original message
7. Gosh, I hope this doesn't hurt Blair's track record for prognostication.
:sarcasm:

I mean, it's not like he's been wrong about much before, right?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 02:55 PM
Response to Original message
8. Guess we'll just have to wait and see what mama nature has to say about that.
Edited on Thu Aug-20-09 02:55 PM by hunter
Wealthy people will probably drive cars until the roads fall apart. Then they'll use servants carrying sedan chairs.




Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 03:07 PM
Response to Original message
9. I don't see the problem with his remarks.
I think he is a piece of shit for his relationship with Bush, but all I see is someone saying that cars are a part of the world we live in (they are) and that if we want to use them and other modern conveniences, we need to move to sustainable (that has a very specific meaning) way of satisfying those wants.

I realize it doesn't fit with doomer preferences, but it seems like a reasonable stance to me. While I have an intense dislike of Blair's stance (and Blair) for enabling Bush and Iraq, he did take climate change seriously enough to cut subsidies to the coal industry in England and throw strong support behind wind.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 06:33 PM
Response to Reply #9
11. I'm quite sure you find this "stance" um, "reasonable."
I have never once, not for a second, seen any anti-nuke consumer car CULTist as anything but an apologist for consumption mentality.

Regrettably the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is not a function of what bourgeois consumers "accept."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 07:59 PM
Response to Reply #11
12. You ceaselessly push for building nuclear reactors
The cornerstone justification for which is the need for "more and bigger". Everything I do and advocate for (with the truth) is the antithesis of your accusation, everything you do and advocate for (with a steady stream of falsehoods) is to build "more and bigger".

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
excess_3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 06:01 PM
Response to Original message
10. tax on jet fuel for international flight is zero
how about asking the millionaires
to pay something before taking
cars away from the poor
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jkid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 09:20 PM
Response to Original message
13. But you can limit car ownership and expand public transport.
I think it's time for China to return to bikes for regular transportation.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
create.peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 09:20 PM
Response to Original message
14. oh, please, if we had access to even a small bus a few times a week, i wouldn't have to use a car
except for business trips.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri Apr 19th 2024, 07:46 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Environment/Energy Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC