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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 10:59 AM
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Prairie Chicken Mating Dance Threatens Texas Projects
(Bloomberg) -- Iberdrola SA and E.ON AG’s turbine dreams for the windswept Texas Panhandle may be stymied by the mating rituals of the lesser prairie chicken.

Wind-power developers such as E.ON are scouring sagebrush and grasslands for the presence of ground-dwelling chickens that could impede turbine construction plans. Once plentiful in the southern high plains, the bird has a high priority for listing under the Endangered Species Act, which would put at risk where as much as $11 billion in turbines that are part of the U.S.’s renewable-energy push can be built.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=a9Ig1kaaTSqY
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 11:05 AM
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1. Ahh, been wondering what is pushing the 'don't do it for the birds' agenda
Now I know. Those who don't want to compete with wind energy stand to keep their profitable status quo.

HD is a wildlife biologist. He spends time working where such birds live. He knows the score, but has wondered who is pushing a lot of data he knows to be false.

Cui bono
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 12:16 PM
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3. HD == "havocdad?"
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 12:17 PM
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4. yep
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 12:18 PM
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5. havocdad, who knows the score?
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 12:27 PM
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7. Long story and too much personal info, but he knows a lot
and has been battling a lot of agencies that are using bad science. Was wondering who/what was pushing the agenda. It all makes sense now. As always, follow money and know money will use well intentioned people as surly at it will use ignorant fools.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 12:40 PM
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8. You mean "agenda" == something like...
"spinning environmental impacts on local wildlife to kneecap wind farm development?"
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 12:22 PM
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6. I was secretly hoping to hear more about the score, you see.
It sounded like the kind of comment with a longer story behind it.
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malakai2 Donating Member (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 02:06 PM
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9. Yes
As in, is there serious dispute over the nature of vertical structure avoidance behavior in prairie chickens? Things like that, of course.
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 06:06 PM
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10. Maybe it hurts their little necks
when they try to see to the top of those things. They surely can't fly that high.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 11:06 AM
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2. Good. Anything to stop the boondoggle that is wind energy.
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 06:46 PM
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11. Chicken...um...chicken salad...chicken...chicken salad...
Edited on Wed Aug-26-09 06:46 PM by NNadir
...this calls for a semi-nude picture of a useless consumer activist washed up starlet promoting the vegan lifestyle in the E&E forum...
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 07:02 PM
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12. Or...
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 07:51 PM
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13. Well, I went back to the very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very important
Edited on Wed Aug-26-09 07:59 PM by NNadir
environmental thread about the washed up starlet, http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=115x206369
">a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very deep and meaningful OP and clicked on the link therein, only to find that the header for the web page was, well, http://blog.peta.org/archives/2009/08/alicia_silverst.php">a chicken...

You can't make this stuff up.

If you click on the link within the link, the one that says, um, http://www.peta.org/feat/alicia_psa/index.asp">Naked Vegan, you can access a video of a
naked starlet at her huge piggishly sized McMansion swimming pool climbing out of the pool while butt assed naked. I kid you not.

I have one question about the video that needs answering:

Are those solar pool lights on the McMansion walls in the background?

One hopes so. One wouldn't want a naked vegan washed up starlet illuminated by any other kind of pool light than a solar pool light.

She could sell this video probably to Home Depot as part of a solar pool light commercial, don'cha think?
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-27-09 09:05 AM
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14. I have a good friend who is a prairie chicken researcher
and he says it's 100% structure avoidance.
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-27-09 11:26 AM
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15. Structure avoidance as in the prairie chickens will stay away from the towers? nt
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-27-09 12:22 PM
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16. Exactly
Enough towers and they'll have nowhere to go.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-27-09 06:24 PM
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17. this just breaks my heart
Edited on Thu Aug-27-09 06:26 PM by pitohui
we are "slivering" the wild to death

i have little hope for prairie chickens considering they are assailed on all sides...a look upthread is enough to discourage me

we actually do need spaces in this world where the wind can blow without being owned and captured but almost no one groks that
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-27-09 08:21 PM
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18. Aside from the crazy idea that wind farms are going to take up all the space in the world
Is the equally crazy idea that 15 foot diameter towers spaced 1/2 mile apart are "slivering the wild to death".

Are those evil trees equally dangerous?

But you're right, let's just continue pumping GHGs until we get the planet hot enough to roast them without an oven. That's a much better and more environmentally friendly approach.
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