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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 01:03 PM
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A tisket, a tasket, an eco-friendly casket
It's hard to always be ecologically correct - especially when you're dead.

In the Bay Area, however, it's getting easier to die green. No need for embalming fluids, mortuary wakes, fancy caskets and concrete vaults. Instead, a corpse can be propped up in bed at home to receive visitors one last time before returning to the earth, wrapped in a shroud or nestled in a biodegradable coffin.

"It's really going back to the past, when people took care of their own dead, and to a time when the cradlemaker, cabinetmaker and casketmaker were all one," Liz O'Connell-Gates said. "People would know who to go to. Now it's more anonymous. I grew up in Ireland, where life and death are so intertwined."

Last Saturday, O'Connell-Gates staged a Green Funeral Fair in Berkeley's Grace North Church. It was one-stop shopping for anyone interested in making an alternative exit in a country where more than 827,000 gallons of embalming fluid are buried in the ground every year.

Jerrigrace Lyons, a death midwife whose Sebastopol business is called Final Passages, has facilitated more than 300 home-based funerals in 14 years. "It's a movement," Lyons said.



Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/11/14/DD631AI27E.DTL#ixzz0WrGjpjM8
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 01:19 PM
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1. I have a friend here (CA) who has stipulated a plain pine coffin when the time comes.
No embalming, no funeral home - simple and straightforward.

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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 01:21 PM
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2. In some states, the body cannot be viewed unless it's embalmed.
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 01:23 PM
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3. Recommended (for the thread title)
:thumbsup:
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 01:23 PM
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4. Thanks
:D
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 01:25 PM
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5. I always hoped to be subject to excarnation. I saw a great documentary on this process as used by
Bhuddists in the Himilayas.

They have a certain kind of bird, a vulture that is used to eat the dead, proving that dying is for the birds.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 02:34 PM
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6. There are a few cultures that have that tradition
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_of_Silence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_burial

I think some Native Americans also used to expose their dead. :)

As Robinson Jeffers says: "To be eaten by that beak and become part of him, to share those wings and those eyes--
What a sublime end of one's body, what an enskyment; what a life after death."
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 04:39 PM
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8. It would be just my luck that just when the vultures show up, some asshole named "T." wouild show up
and build a wind farm to hack the vultures to death.

I believe your recent bird hacking video in which a bird was hacked to death by the vanes involved a vulture.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 04:54 PM
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9. That was a vulture, yes
Vultures are seriously threatened in parts of the world due to pesticides as well. :(
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 05:37 PM
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11. Well, we have lots of turkey vultures here. They clean up after the only deer predator in the area,
the automobile.

They're beautiful in the skies, but ugly as sin on the ground. But I love 'em.

There is less money to clean up the dead deer around here and we have lots of deer excarnations.

My boys can go out in the woods around here and find deer bones pretty easily, as one can just walking down any highway.
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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 05:00 PM
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10. "enskyment"
Hmm. Like.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 05:58 PM
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12. That is one of my favorite words.
:D
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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 08:25 PM
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15. Followed several hours later by "enguanoment".
Edited on Sat Nov-14-09 08:38 PM by Dead_Parrot
Hmm. Not so much.

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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 08:42 PM
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17. Sounds like enguanoment could lead to ornithogenic soils
or Ornithosols. :D
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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 08:56 PM
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21. So, are Ornithosols better than Annelidosols?
Dammit, why is there no research on this vital question? I demand answers!
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 09:13 PM
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25. Which one is cuter?


*or*

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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 09:31 PM
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26. Good point. Enguanoment it is, then.
A process than can be accelerated by going for a walk in Fiordland with a bag of chips and not sharing.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 02:49 PM
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7. There's also a Swedish process to compost human bodies
http://www.promessa.se/sagardettill_en.asp

Within a week and a half after death, the corpse is frozen to minus 18 degrees Celsius and then submerged in liquid nitrogen. This makes the body very brittle, and vibration of a specific amplitude transforms it into an organic powder that is then introduced into a vacuum chamber where the water is evaporated away.

The remains are now ready to be laid in a coffin made of corn starch. There is no hurry with the burial itself. The organic powder, which is hygienic and odorless, does not decompose when kept dry. The burial takes place in a shallow grave in living soil that turns the coffin and its contents into compost in about 6-12 months time. In conjunction with the burial and in accordance with the wishes of the deceased or next of kin, a bush or tree can be planted above the coffin.

My father has a pear orchard from which he makes very fine champagne. We have told him that when he dies we will have him composted and sprinkled in the orchard, and rename the product, "Père Champagne"... He loved the idea.
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prole_for_peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 08:07 PM
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13. I saw something about this on tv a year or so ago
I wish more alternatives were available in the US. I don't want to be embalmed or buried (taking up land that could be used for something else). I did want to be cremated but I have recently been hearing how bad it is for the environment. I would really just like to be tossed into the woods to decay naturally.
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 08:23 PM
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14. I suspect that this process is energy intensive compared to the renewable approach of placing dead
bodies in high temperature reformers under supercritical water, making them into CO and hydrogen and using them to make gasoline via the Fischer-Tropsch process.

It is thus possible to make Dad into motor fuel.

Soylent gasoline!!!!!

I think I'll call Amory Lovins and see if we can't found a renewable car program based on this core technology.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 08:35 PM
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16. Vivoleum!
The Yes Men beat you to it, I'm afraid...

Vivoleum is People!
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 08:48 PM
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19. Damn!!! I was thinking of filing a patent for the process too!
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 08:44 PM
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18. You made dad part of your life
why not make dad part of your onerous commute to work? :P
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 08:54 PM
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20. Well, when I saw my dad lying there, bathed in formaldehyde the first thought in my mind
was, "I wonder if they have a hydrogenator upstairs?"

If they'd had one, I could have syphoned some hydrogen off the hydrogen HYPErhearse and made some methanol to drive the fuel cell limos to the cemetary.

People tend not to have a sense of humor at these sort of events though.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 09:09 PM
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23. I didn't go to the viewing for grandpa
but if anyone wanted to be buried in a pine box out near Fresno Dome he did. :(
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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 09:04 PM
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22. Alternativley, place him in lye...
...for a cheap, ocean-friendly alternative to a well-loved dish. You also save petrol by not having to drive to the Norwegian Deli for some time.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 09:11 PM
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24. I just mentioned Grandpa upthread, and he was German and Irish
Grandma, on the other hand... 100% Swedish. :think:
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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 03:19 AM
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28. I wonder what the energy inputs are for that... nt
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 02:50 AM
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27. k and r
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