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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 05:07 PM
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Two Top Climate Scientists Accuse Daily Mail of Misquoting Them and Misrepresenting Their Work
......via Climate Progress

Posted By Joe On February 15, 2010 @ 1:02 pm In Media | 10 Comments

Readers should assume that everything they see in the Daily Mail is untrue and unverified. Scientists should refuse to grant interviews to the paper without a third-party present or an agreement to allow a review of any quotes used.

One of the British newspapers leading the charge to undermine the credibility of climate science has had its own credibility rocked. Two leading scientists, Murari Lal and Mojib Latif, have accused the Daily Mail of misquoting and misrepresenting them. And the National Snow and Ice Data Center has accused the paper of printing “nonsense” and of “very lazy journalism.”

Lending further credibility to the scientists’ charges are a pattern of false and misleading statements in the paper (and by DM reporter David Rose in comments on this very blog).

The latest self-inflicted body blow to the Daily Mail is this outrageously false headline <1> (and subhed) echoing through the right-wing blogosphere:


Climategate U-turn as scientist at centre of row admits: There has been no global warming since 1995
… There has been no global warming since 1995

Not. Here’s the BBC interview <2> with Phil Jones that DM is twisting:BBC: Do you agree that from 1995 to the present there has been no statistically-significant global warming.Jones: Yes, but only just. I also calculated the trend for the period 1995 to 2009. This trend (0.12C per decade) is positive, but not significant at the 95% significance level. The positive trend is quite close to the significance level. Achieving statistical significance in scientific terms is much more likely for longer periods, and much less likely for shorter periods.

Jones ain’t great at answering questions, something I’ll return to in a later post. For instance, he should point out the recent Met Office reanalysis of their data (see Finally, the truth about the Hadley/CRU data: “The global temperature rise calculated by the Met Office’s HadCRUT record is at the lower end of likely warming” <3>).

Even so, no scientist should have to put up with that kind of gross misrepresentation. And no, the fact that the story itself is (a tad) better on this one point does not excuse the headlines, which is as far as many people read.

Sadly, pushing disinformation has become standard operating procedure for the paper.

.......much more........

http://climateprogress.org/2010/02/15/rosegate-dailymail-error-riddled-articles-misquote-credibility-science/#more-18120
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 05:13 PM
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1. The Daily Mail is no stranger to libel lawsuits.
Scroll down to see a nice list:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Mail
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 05:22 PM
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2. From Another Thread on Jones's Answers,
it appears that the questions were carefully designed to result in answers that appeared to question global warming even though in actuality they did not such thing. As a scientist, Jones gave the responses he had to give to be scientifically accurate.

Here's a reply I gave to another poster who seemed to be gloating over the article. The 'admissions' are not what they seem.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 05:23 PM
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3. The question itself was biased and should not have been answered that way.
Something like "that's too short a period from which to judge" would have been better.
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 05:48 PM
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6. The BBC Article said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8511670.stm
...

The BBC's environment analyst Roger Harrabin put questions to Professor Jones, including several gathered from climate sceptics. ...


A little bias should be expected.
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guardian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 05:35 PM
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4. So headline should have read
"No statistically significant global warming since 1995".

Not significant as in "insignificant": not important, of no consequence, immaterial, inappreciable, inconsequential, inconsiderable, infinitesimal, irrelevant, meager, meaningless, minuscule, minute, negligible, nondescript, nonessential, not worth mentioning, nugatory, paltry, petty, pointless, purportless, scanty, secondary, senseless, small, trifling, trivial, unimportant, unsubstantial.

Wow! I see now how this is a "false headline". No I'm sorry--it's an "OUTRAGEOUSLY false headline" and "GROSS misrepresentation." You've convinced me. I used to be blind, but now I can see. More Kool-Aid anyone?

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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 05:44 PM
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5. And The Lie travels 'round the world while The Truth is still puttting it's pants on.
Kind of has new meaning in the Age of Inverted Totalitarianism, doesn't it?
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 05:51 PM
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7. I do love Twain
http://www.twainquotes.com/Lies.html
...

The young ought to be temperate in the use of this great art until practice and experience shall give them that confidence, elegance, and precision which alone can make the accomplishment graceful and profitable. Patience, diligence, painstaking attention to detail -- these are the requirements; these, in time, will make the student perfect; upon these, and upon these only, may he rely as the sure foundation for future eminence. Think what tedious years of study, thought, practice, experience, went to the equipment of that peerless old master who was able to impose upon the whole world the lofty and sounding maxim that "Truth is mighty and will prevail"-- the most majestic compound fracture of fact which any of woman born has yet achieved. For the history of our race, and each individual's experience, are sewn thick with evidences that a truth is not hard to kill, and that a lie well told is immortal.
- "Advice to Youth," 15 April 1882

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TheIdiot Donating Member (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 06:16 PM
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8. There should be a bright line...
between science and opinion, otherwise we lose credibility.
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 06:37 PM
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9. The truth doesn't sell enough newspapers
http://etext.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/jeff1600.htm
...

"My opinion of the manner in which a newspaper should be conducted so as to be most useful ... 'by restraining it to true facts and sound principle only.' Yet I fear such a paper would find few subscribers. It is a melancholy truth, that a suppression of the press could not more completely deprive the nation of its benefits than is done by its abandoned prostitution to falsehood." --Thomas Jefferson to John Norvell, 1807. ME 11:224

"Perhaps an editor might begin a reformation in some such way as this. Divide his paper into four chapters, heading the 1st, Truths. 2nd, Probabilities. 3rd, Possibilities. 4th, Lies. The first chapter would be very short, as it would contain little more than authentic papers and information from such sources as the editor would be willing to risk his own reputation for their truth. The second would contain what, from a mature consideration of all circumstances, his judgment should conclude to be probably true. This, however, should rather contain too little than too much. The third and fourth should be professedly for those readers who would rather have lies for their money than the blank paper they would occupy." --Thomas Jefferson to John Norvell, 1807. ME 11:225

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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 06:53 AM
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10. This is SOP for the Mail
Hence the reason they've been nicknamed the "Daily Outrage". They specialise in pushing "aren't you angry about this?" stories to middle England. The right-wing in the USA often quotes them with regard to their frequent climate-change denial or NHS scandal stories (like any large system, scandals crop up from time-to-time in the NHS but the Mail tends to play them as typical).
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