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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 09:13 PM
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Denis Hayes: Earth Day and new nuclear reactors don’t mix - Let’s not be duped again.
http://host.madison.com/ct/news/opinion/column/article_7ced5f7b-59c0-5e9d-ba9a-444a7742d155.html

Denis Hayes: Earth Day and new nuclear reactors don’t mix

Denis Hayes
Earth Day 2010 international chairman
Posted: Thursday, April 22, 2010 4:30 am

Nuclear power has never lived up to the promises of its backers. Their latest claim -- that nuclear energy represents an easy answer to global warming -- has as much validity as that old industry chestnut of producing energy “too cheap to meter.” Let’s not be duped again.

Four decades ago, when I served as national coordinator for the first Earth Day, millions of Americans mobilized on behalf of the environment. This year, we know that the centerpiece of a healthy environment is safe, clean and sustainable energy. Climate change was a phrase unknown back in 1970; today it is part of our popular vocabulary. Halting the advance of global warming tops the priority list of environmental issues that threaten our well-being.

The nuclear industry -- and some in Washington -- would like us to believe that building new reactors will solve this threat. To hear them talk, the nuclear option sounds alluring. Certainly the promise of an energy source that is a low-greenhouse gas emitter might carry some weight with those concerned about climate change. But let’s look at the facts.

<snip>

We’ve been offered a lot of false promises and greenwashing during those years, and we have acquired what Hemingway called the indispensable “crap detector.” Only the most gullible are buying what the nuclear industry is selling.

The climate clock is ticking. Achieving a safe, self-reliant, prosperous future now will be more expensive and more painful than if we had simply stayed the course 30 years ago. Let’s not hop from the climate frying pan to the nuclear fire. Let’s not waste more time and money on an outdated nuclear technology that has already flunked the market test.

Denis Hayes is the International Chairman of Earth Day 2010. This column was provided by the American Forum, a nonprofit, nonpartisan, educational organization.

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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 09:23 PM
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1. Until we have R&D breakthroughs in energy, the choices are nuclear reactors vs. diminishing oil. The
question for society is which is likely to cause the most deatha and destruction?
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 09:30 PM
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2. No, those are not the choices.
Stephen Pacala, author of the "Climate Wedges" study: "I personally think nuclear is a non-starter."
http://www.theclimategroup.org/our-news/interviews/2004/10/15/stephen-pacala/

In the August 2004 issue of Science, Stephen Pacala and Robert Socolow of Princeton's Carbon Mitigation Initiative published a paper identifying 15 existing technologies that could each prevent 1 billion tons a year worth of carbon emissions by 2054. Pacala and Socolow have created a graph that divides the problem into the seven 1 billion-ton-per-year "wedges" which are required to halt the rise in greenhouse gas emissions, and stabilize the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere at 500 parts per million (ppm) (see figures below).

Their findings provide a strong counter to the argument that major new technologies need to be developed before significant mitigation of emissions can begin.

<snip>

Q: What wedges are the least worth pursuing, and would it be the ones with the shortest lifetimes, ie. the forestry and agriculture projects?


A: <snip>

I personally think nuclear is a non-starter. In the article we were not trying to choose sides, only to point out the mitigation technologies that are already in place.

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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 09:32 PM
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3. Interesting cite but I don't agree with their conclusions. n/t
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 09:33 PM
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4. As Denis Hayes says - you've been duped.
Edited on Thu Apr-22-10 09:34 PM by bananas
"Only the most gullible are buying what the nuclear industry is selling."
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 09:39 PM
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5. ROFL but a humorous phrase hardly proves a point and your cite does not. One should look behind a
quote by a name and critically analyze the support for that assertion.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 09:43 PM
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6. Perhaps you could do that for us then?
The claim you made is one we hear often from nuclear supporters. You were given one of many, many, many, many studies reaching a similar conclusion.

Could you do what all others have failed to do, provide a legitimate analysis by independent researchers that support your conclusion nuclear is preferable to renewables for meeting our AGW, energy security and air pollution mortality concerns?

I've never seen anything make that claim that was wasn't directly sourced to the nuclear power industry.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 09:47 PM
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7. Let the OP author respond to your question and prove the OP case. n/t
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 10:26 PM
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9. He did. There are literally hundreds of studies that confirm what you deny.
It is up to you now to support your assertion. Don't worry though, no one else has ever done it either because your assertion simply isn't true.
Abstract here: http://www.rsc.org/publishing/journals/EE/article.asp?doi=b809990c

Full article for download here: http://www.stanford.edu/group/efmh/jacobson/revsolglobwarmairpol.htm


Energy Environ. Sci., 2009, 2, 148 - 173, DOI: 10.1039/b809990c

Review of solutions to global warming, air pollution, and energy security

Mark Z. Jacobson

Abstract
This paper reviews and ranks major proposed energy-related solutions to global warming, air pollution mortality, and energy security while considering other impacts of the proposed solutions, such as on water supply, land use, wildlife, resource availability, thermal pollution, water chemical pollution, nuclear proliferation, and undernutrition.

Nine electric power sources and two liquid fuel options are considered. The electricity sources include solar-photovoltaics (PV), concentrated solar power (CSP), wind, geothermal, hydroelectric, wave, tidal, nuclear, and coal with carbon capture and storage (CCS) technology. The liquid fuel options include corn-ethanol (E85) and cellulosic-E85. To place the electric and liquid fuel sources on an equal footing, we examine their comparative abilities to address the problems mentioned by powering new-technology vehicles, including battery-electric vehicles (BEVs), hydrogen fuel cell vehicles (HFCVs), and flex-fuel vehicles run on E85.

Twelve combinations of energy source-vehicle type are considered. Upon ranking and weighting each combination with respect to each of 11 impact categories, four clear divisions of ranking, or tiers, emerge.

Tier 1 (highest-ranked) includes wind-BEVs and wind-HFCVs.
Tier 2 includes CSP-BEVs, geothermal-BEVs, PV-BEVs, tidal-BEVs, and wave-BEVs.
Tier 3 includes hydro-BEVs, nuclear-BEVs, and CCS-BEVs.
Tier 4 includes corn- and cellulosic-E85.

Wind-BEVs ranked first in seven out of 11 categories, including the two most important, mortality and climate damage reduction. Although HFCVs are much less efficient than BEVs, wind-HFCVs are still very clean and were ranked second among all combinations.

Tier 2 options provide significant benefits and are recommended.

Tier 3 options are less desirable. However, hydroelectricity, which was ranked ahead of coal-CCS and nuclear with respect to climate and health, is an excellent load balancer, thus recommended.

The Tier 4 combinations (cellulosic- and corn-E85) were ranked lowest overall and with respect to climate, air pollution, land use, wildlife damage, and chemical waste. Cellulosic-E85 ranked lower than corn-E85 overall, primarily due to its potentially larger land footprint based on new data and its higher upstream air pollution emissions than corn-E85.

Whereas cellulosic-E85 may cause the greatest average human mortality, nuclear-BEVs cause the greatest upper-limit mortality risk due to the expansion of plutonium separation and uranium enrichment in nuclear energy facilities worldwide. Wind-BEVs and CSP-BEVs cause the least mortality.

The footprint area of wind-BEVs is 2–6 orders of magnitude less than that of any other option. Because of their low footprint and pollution, wind-BEVs cause the least wildlife loss.

The largest consumer of water is corn-E85. The smallest are wind-, tidal-, and wave-BEVs.

The US could theoretically replace all 2007 onroad vehicles with BEVs powered by 73000–144000 5 MW wind turbines, less than the 300000 airplanes the US produced during World War II, reducing US CO2 by 32.5–32.7% and nearly eliminating 15000/yr vehicle-related air pollution deaths in 2020.

In sum, use of wind, CSP, geothermal, tidal, PV, wave, and hydro to provide electricity for BEVs and HFCVs and, by extension, electricity for the residential, industrial, and commercial sectors, will result in the most benefit among the options considered. The combination of these technologies should be advanced as a solution to global warming, air pollution, and energy security. Coal-CCS and nuclear offer less benefit thus represent an opportunity cost loss, and the biofuel options provide no certain benefit and the greatest negative impacts.


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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 11:17 PM
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11. Yup - I even keep Joe Romm's analysis in my sigline. nt
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 12:21 AM
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13. Have a blissful evening. n/t
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 09:49 PM
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8. I agree with him a hundred percent
This lie that is nuclear energy has had its day and it failed and failed badly. We were told 40 50 years ago that the waste wasn't a problem they had it all figured out but when we pushed for what that plan was we were lied to like there was no tomorrow. Bullshit and when that doesn't work out right lie is how the industry has operated from day one. This is just as true today as it was 50 years ago. We're 30 and 40 years into a shitpot full of plants that are reaching their designed age and almost all of them are showing that age. One of the questions we had years ago was who would be saddled with the cost of dismantling these and we're finding out that it is going to be the rate payers and tax payers, exactly who we were telling them then it would be. The nuclear industry has never been honest with us so why would we want to build more. I don't think we'll be building many more actually. There may be a few slide through right now because of the chaos but we'll be reminded again how dangerous they can be. WE have a bunch of old plants and old plants, I don't care what kind of a plant it is, wear out. These babies have the potential of going bad in a big big way. We've dodged a bullet a few times already.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 11:10 PM
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10. Well said. nt
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 12:10 AM
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12. The Bandwagon Effect
The Economics of Nuclear Reactors: Renaissance or Relapse?
by Mark Cooper


Within the past year, estimates of the cost of nuclear power from a new generation of reactors have ranged from a low of 8.4 cents per kilowatt hour (kWh) to a high of 30 cents. This paper tackles the debate over the cost of building new nuclear reactors. The most recent cost projections for new nuclear reactors are, on average, over four times as high as the initial “nuclear renaissance” projections. The additional cost of building 100 new nuclear reactors, instead of pursuing a least cost efficiency-renewable strategy, would be in the range of $1.9-$4.4 trillion over the life the reactors.

The key findings of the paper as follows:

* The initial cost projections put out early in today’s so-called “nuclear renaissance” were about one-third of what one would have expected, based on the nuclear reactors completed in the 1990s.
* The most recent cost projections for new nuclear reactors are, on average, over four times as high as the initial “nuclear renaissance” projections.
* There are numerous options available to meet the need for electricity in a carbon-constrained environment that are superior to building nuclear reactors. Indeed, nuclear reactors are the worst option from the point of view of the consumer and society.
* The low carbon sources that are less costly than nuclear include efficiency, cogeneration, biomass, geothermal, wind, solar thermal and natural gas. Solar photovoltaics that are presently more costly than nuclear reactors are projected to decline dramatically in price in the next decade. Fossil fuels with carbon capture and storage, which are not presently available, are projected to be somewhat more costly than nuclear reactors.
* Numerous studies by Wall Street and independent energy analysts estimate efficiency and renewable costs at an average of 6 cents per kilowatt hour, while the cost of electricity from nuclear reactors is estimated in the range of 12 to 20 cents per kWh.
* The additional cost of building 100 new nuclear reactors, instead of pursuing a least cost efficiency-renewable strategy, would be in the range of $1.9-$4.4 trillion over the life the reactors.

Whether the burden falls on ratepayers (in electricity bills) or taxpayers (in large subsidies), incurring excess costs of that magnitude would be a substantial burden on the national economy and add immensely to the cost of electricity and the cost of reducing carbon emissions.

Approach

This paper arrives at these conclusions by viewing the cost of nuclear reactors through four analytic lenses.

* First, in an effort to pin down the likely cost of new nuclear reactors, the paper dissects three dozen recent cost projections.
* Second, it places those projections in the context of the history of the nuclear industry with a database of the costs of 100 reactors built in the U.S. between 1971 and 1996.
* Third, it examines those costs in comparison to the cost of alternatives available today to meet the need for electricity.
* Fourth, it considers a range of qualitative factors including environmental concerns, risks and subsidies that affect decisions about which technologies to utilize in an environment in which public policy requires constraints on carbon emissions.

The stakes for consumers and the nation are huge. While some have called for the construction of 200 to 300 new nuclear reactors over the next 40 years, the much more modest task of building 100 reactors, which has been proposed by some policymakers as a goal, is used to put the stakes in perspective. Over the expected forty-year life of a nuclear reactor, the excess cost compared to least-cost efficiency and renewables would range from $19 billion to $44 billion per plant, with the total for 100 reactors reaching the range of $1.9 trillion to $4.4 trillion over the life the reactors.

Hope and Hype Vs. Reality in Nuclear Reactor Costs

From the first fixed price turnkey reactors in the 1960s to the May 2009 cost projection of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, the claim that nuclear power is or could be cost competitive with alternative technologies for generating electricity has been based on hope and hype. In the 1960s and 1970s, the hope and hype analyses prepared by reactor vendors and parroted by government officials helped to create what came to be known as the “great bandwagon market.” In about a decade utilities ordered over 200 nuclear reactors of increasing size.

Unfortunately, reality did not deliver on the hope and the hype. Half of the reactors ordered in the 1960s and 1970s were cancelled, with abandoned costs in the tens of billions of dollars. Those reactors that were completed suffered dramatic cost overruns (see Figure ES-1). On average, the final cohort of great bandwagon market reactors cost seven times as much as the cost projection for the first reactor of the great bandwagon market. The great bandwagon market ended in fierce debates in the press and regulatory proceedings throughout the 1980s and 1990s over how such a huge mistake could have been made and who should pay for it.

In an eerie parallel to the great bandwagon market, a series of startlingly low-cost estimates prepared between 2001 and 2004 by vendors and academics and supported by government officials helped to create what has come to be known as the “nuclear renaissance.” However, reflecting the poor track record of the nuclear industry in the U.S., the debate over the economics of the nuclear renaissance is being carried out before substantial sums of money are spent. Unlike the 1960s and 1970s, when the utility industry, reactor vendors and government officials monopolized the preparation of cost analyses, today Wall Street and independent energy analysts have come forward with much higher estimates of the cost of nuclear reactors.


Figure ES-1: Overnight Cost of Completed Nuclear Reactors Compared to Projected Costs of Future Reactors

The most recent cost projections are, on average, over four times as high as the initial nuclear renaissance projections.

Even though the early estimates have been subsequently revised upward in the past year and utilities offered some estimates in regulatory proceedings that were twice as high as the initial projections, these estimates remain well below the projections from Wall Street and independent analysts. Moreover, in an ominous repeat of history, utilities are insisting on cost-plus treatment of their reactor projects and have steadfastly refused to shoulder the responsibility for cost overruns.

One thing that utilities and Wall Street analysts agree on is that nuclear reactors will not be built without massive direct subsidies either from the federal government or ratepayers, or from both.

In this sense, nuclear reactors remain as uneconomic today as they were in the 1980s when so many were cancelled or abandoned...


Full open access paper available for download at http://www.olino.org/us/articles/2009/11/26/the-economics-of-nuclear-reactors-renaissance-or-relapse


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Throckmorton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 12:46 AM
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14. Just don't build them
Edited on Fri Apr-23-10 12:47 AM by Throckmorton
I have worked in Nuclear Power my entire adult life. My answer is simple, just don't build anymore nuclear plants. If global warming is real, then the coil fired plants will only hasten our demise. If wind and solar are the solution, then they will rise to the occasion. If these solutions don't work, then our planet is doomed, I however am old enough that I will not live to see that day.

If I am a baby killer, my evil atoms and all, just do away with me.

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