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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 06:47 AM
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Environmental rollbacks in the works
Environmental rollbacks in the works

By Mark Fischenich Free Press Staff Writer The Mankato Free Press Thu Feb 03, 2011, 10:43 PM CST

The Minnesota Senate passed legislation this week to repeal the moratorium on new nuclear power plants in the state, and the House is expected to do the same next week.

The attempt to lift the ban is only one of a series of bills aimed at rolling back laws aimed at cleaning up the environment and moving the state toward a renewable energy future, according to Rep. Kathy Brynaert, DFL-Mankato.

“I consider it the first of a long line of repeal efforts, especially in the environment and energy area,” Brynaert said.

Along with the nuclear power bill, legislation has been introduced by Republicans to gut a 2007 law requiring Minnesota utilities to generate at least 25 percent of their power from renewable sources such as wind, solar, hydroelectric and other green energy by 2025. There’s also a bill that repeals another 2007 law that effectively stops utilities from building large new coal-fired power plants or importing additional power from coal-fired plants elsewhere....


http://mankatofreepress.com/latestnews/x856148395/Environmental-rollbacks-in-the-works

Coal and nuclear - two sides of the same right wing coin.
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Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 08:18 AM
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1. So, each MN Senator who voted pro-nuclear will be willing to
have a nuclear waste disposal facility built in his back yard behind his home, I'm sure?
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 08:20 AM
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2. And the (R) environmentalists in KY hope to get more jobs for their U enrichment plant
Kentucky lawmakers hope to lift nuclear moratorium
PADUCAH, Ky. — Western Kentucky lawmakers are hoping to lift a moratorium on new nuclear power plants as the state's General Assembly comes to a close.

State Rep. Brent Housman, R-Paducah, said lifting the 27-year-old ban is the most important bill for western Kentucky as the session moves towards a finish.

Sen. Bob Leeper, I-Paduah, told The Paducah Sun that Senate Bill 34, if passed, would secure local energy jobs.

In 1984, Kentucky joined a handful of other states in requiring a permanent federal storage facility become operational before any new plants can be built...


http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20110130/NEWS01/301300091/Kentucky+lawmakers+hope+to+lift+nuclear+moratorium
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txlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 10:13 AM
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3. Consumers have the power to make these idiot politicians IRRELEVANT
Vote with your *wallets* people!

If you buy a gasoline powered car -- then we'll be dependent on foreign oil forever.
==> If you buy an electric car -- you are a part of the solution, not part of the problem.

If you buy electricity without demanding that part or all of it be renewable sources then you are part of the problem.
==> Demand that your electric utility provide a renewable energy option if they don't already... and choose that plan even if it costs you a little bit more.
====> I'm no saint but I get my electricity from 100% Texas Wind Energy. I pay an extra 1.3 cents per kilowatt hour (it varies due to the weird rate structure here in TX) but I am willing to pay the extra cost in order to do my part to increase renewable energy.

If you buy a product that is made in China (and an American made alternative exists) then you are part of the problem with massive unemployment here in the USA.
==> Buy American. If there isn't an American made product then buy a used one and fix it up or change your plans.

If you buy a product or service from a company that is anti-gay then you are part of the problem of intolerance in this country.
==> Write letters, make a youtube video, rant on the street corner... DO SOMETHING! We are all God's children: do you honestly think that God made a *mistake* with 10% of the people on this planet?!?

Etc. Etc. Etc.

Consumers have the power to demand whatever the idiot politicians want to deny us. Use your power. Stop being a limp noodle... stand up for your rights, stand up to power!
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 01:26 PM
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4. Good advice but you aren't going to make "idiot politicians irrelevant"
There is a hard limit to what voluntary participation in green energy promotion can do since the problem is mostly embedded in the structure of our energy generation and delivery system. When idiot Republican politicians push nuclear and coal they are crowding out development of renewable energy sources and energy efficiency measures.

That process is clearly demonstrated in the OP.

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txlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 09:41 PM
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6. I just don't see your logic, please explain it to me
I'm just not at your intellectual level, obviously. I have this foolish notion that if NO customers buy gasoline cars, the oil companies will lose business, their levels of pollution will go down (because ~30% to 35% of the GHG emissions are is from transportation. If all consumers in all the other segments end or drastically reduce their oil/gas/diesel/fuel oil usage then the levels of CO2 and other deadly pollutants will go down to manageable levels (ones that the environment might even be able to tolerate).

It's kinda like if every human on the planet stopped buying diet sodas. The companies would be forced to stop making them. But the government made no rules about that, put no regulations, added no "big gubmint" taxes at all. If they're making no money doing a thing (whatever it is) they will eventually stop (or go out of business).

In my apparently flawed view, the consumer has *all* the power to affect change. Therefore, the politicians can remove all the regulations they want, they can give all the tax breaks for making diet soda they want. If no consumer is buying diet soda then the company will either stop making it or go out of business.

But that's just my unintelligent assessment of the power of consumers to force companies to change. Please enlighten me on how a company will thrive when nobody is buying the dirty/polluting/environmentally harmful/wasteful/or otherwise bad products that they want to sell.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 05:20 PM
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5. It's no matter, I just read a report about renewables that said we don't have to get off coal...
...for 20 fucking years.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 11:12 PM
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7. Only by 2030? Greenpeace recently told us we have until 2090
See http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSTRE49Q2I820081027">World can halt fossil fuel use by 2090 and http://www.greenpeace.org/international/press/reports/energyrevolutionreport">The EnergyREvolution.

Some people are going to try to stuff that coin into every environmental gumball machine they can, and scream "REPUBLICAN!" if anyone calls them on the fallacy.

--d!
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 12:09 AM
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8. Yeah, you're right, the report actually said that you don't have to *start* getting off of coal.
For 20 years. They actually give us 40 years to get off of coal. Fun.
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