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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 04:05 PM
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Bonneville Power to Wind Generators -- Shut Down, and You Get Free Power
The Bonneville Power Administration says it is preparing to sharply reduce the region's wind generators' output during extreme high water flows in the Columbia River system as a last resort to assure that hydropower dam operations do not threaten protected fish populations.

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If the region's grid is carrying high power output from wind generators at a time when the river flow is extremely high, the combination of wind power and hydropower would exceed the demand for electricity, in expected scenarios.

BPA says in those circumstances, it would have to curtail wind generation or increase water flows over hydro dam spillways, bypassing dam generators. But excessive flows over spillways can raise nitrogen levels in the water below the dams, violating federal regulations that protect salmon and other fish species.

http://www.nytimes.com/cwire/2011/02/25/25climatewire-bonneville-power-to-wind-generators-shut-dow-22723.html
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OnlinePoker Donating Member (837 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 05:06 PM
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1. ...excessive flows over spillways can raise nitrogen levels in the water below ...
Edited on Fri Feb-25-11 05:06 PM by OnlinePoker
Why would this be? Would free-falling water on the spillways scrub nitrogen out of the atmosphere? It doesn't say in the article.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 05:09 PM
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2. Probably something to do with stirring up nitrogen-rich sediment.
That's a guess.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-11 05:20 PM
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7. Yes. Molecular gasses are disolved in water.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 05:37 PM
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3. Sounds like they need some scouring flows
:(
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-11 12:53 AM
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4. It's nice that they have so much renewable power in the area...
...that this is a concern!
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-11 12:56 AM
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5. You can't be sarcastic in here!
This is e/e! :o
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-11 05:19 PM
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6. It's nice that all of these "renewable energy scenarios" are never nuanced enough...
...to take into consideration stuff like this. It's all "optimal energy use" type crap, best case scenarios and the like. But reality doesn't work like that.
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 06:25 PM
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8. You can't hold back the water
and you can't store the power. It's been a wet year. The rivers will be high. The grid can't pass the power on to the Bay area, for example.
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-11 04:56 AM
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9. Wow ... so that grid region is *completely* supplied by hydro under those conditions?
(i.e., "extremely high water flows" rather than "everyday water flows")

I noted that the article said the BPA will also be paying the coal-fired
power stations a premium to shut down along with the wind farms when it
becomes necessary.

Unless they are pulling a fast one with the gas-fired "peakers" then that
implies that the demand of the entire grid region can be satisfied by the
output of the various hydro plants during those conditions.

Good going guys!

:wow:
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