If they evacuate the remaining Fukushima 50 - the worst case scenario will unfold

jpak

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Tue Mar-15-11 09:33 PM
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If they evacuate the remaining Fukushima 50 - the worst case scenario will unfold

Edited on Tue Mar-15-11 09:34 PM by jpak

that is all

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Tue Mar-15-11 09:35 PM
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1. What is the worst case scenario?

from here on out known as the WCS

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jpak

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Tue Mar-15-11 09:38 PM
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5. Uncontrolled radiation release from all three stricken reactors and spent fuel pools

Edited on Tue Mar-15-11 09:49 PM by jpak

followed by potential damage to and releases from the other reactors that were in cold shutdown at the time of the quake.

How those reactors will respond to lack of maintenance/control remains to be seen.

edit

No. 5 reactor lost its coolant system just before the evacuation

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Wilms

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Tue Mar-15-11 09:41 PM
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9. :(

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joshcryer

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Wed Mar-16-11 02:59 AM
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16. No one is happy about the earthquake, I agree, but I am seeing a lot of elated revelry.

Which to me is even worse.

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kristopher

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Wed Mar-16-11 04:00 AM
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18. Really? Elated revelry?

Elated revelry? Is that what you think I feel?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=115x279539

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joshcryer

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Wed Mar-16-11 05:08 AM
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19. Possibly not you.

There are 43 posts in E&E right now relating to this topic on the first page alone (out of a possible 50 displayed posts). I've been compiling posts that really really illustrate just how bad the behavior really is but I'll save it for later.

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Kolesar

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Wed Mar-16-11 05:23 AM
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20. Produce some evidence of this "elated revelry", or find something else to do on your weekday morning

...mornings.

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joshcryer

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Wed Mar-16-11 05:30 AM
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21. Sure...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=115&topic_id=278157&mesg_id=278181

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=115&topic_id=278157&mesg_id=278340

You'll note that the poster in question is not behaving this way as the situation worsened, despite this behavior being trademark.

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kristopher

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Wed Mar-16-11 05:58 AM
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22. You painted with a very broad brush and offer nothing to support it.

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joshcryer

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Wed Mar-16-11 06:12 AM
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23. Tell it to Bonobo, why don't you.

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kristopher

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Wed Mar-16-11 06:24 AM
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24. You claim "elated revelry" re the pain of Japanese people by those who blame the nuke industry.

I'm right at the front of that charge. I have a large number of friends and family in harms way from the nuclear plant and I know who the responsible parties are.

Wanting justice isn't revelry.

What YOU are doing is attempting to exploit some sick version of political correctness in order to try and shut up the critics of the nuclear industry - in other words you are using MY PAIN to further YOUR sick agenda of pushing this shit on the rest of the world.

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joshcryer

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Wed Mar-16-11 06:26 AM
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26. No, I am fine with criticism, there are very admirable anti-nukers on this forum.

Hannah Bell is leading the charge on being anti-nuke but reasonable and sensitive to the crisis, for example. There are many others. It's easy to see people who have an agenda and those who are trying to make the best of a situation.

Note that this applies to pro-nukers, too. There's a pathetic thread in GD that should be locked for instance, but talking about it will probably get my post deleted.

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Wed Mar-16-11 06:25 AM
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25. Have a look at these gems, why don't you.

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AtheistCrusader

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Thu Mar-17-11 12:15 AM
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30. From the pro-nuke side

I have to say, I'm guilty of it too, to a degree. We should be capable of discussing this issue without emotion, but it's a very contentious subject.

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Vinnie From Indy

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Tue Mar-15-11 09:36 PM
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2. What are this Saturday's Lotto numbers Oh Great One?

Edited on Tue Mar-15-11 09:37 PM by Vinnie From Indy

Cheers!

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liberalmuse

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Tue Mar-15-11 09:36 PM
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3. Aptly named.

There was Hiroshima, now there's Fuck Us Shima, and no, that's not a joke. My stomach just dropped to my knees because I was listening to The Strokes a minute ago and happened to turn to the muted tv. SHIT. I don't want to know how bad it got for them to completely abandon the plant to god only knows what. :(

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Wilms

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Tue Mar-15-11 09:36 PM
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4. If they don't evacuate the remaining F50, the worst case scenario may well unfold anyway.

:shrug:

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liberalmuse

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Tue Mar-15-11 09:39 PM
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6. I just hope they aren't getting really sick.

Edited on Tue Mar-15-11 09:39 PM by liberalmuse

Those guys were so brave. I really don't know what to say. For the first time I've gone from apprehensive to a little scared, no, terrified for the people in Japan.

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Wilms

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Tue Mar-15-11 09:40 PM
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8. My gut is telling me these workers may not have long to live.

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jpak

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Tue Mar-15-11 09:39 PM
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7. It appears that there is a lethal environment at the plant complex - to stay is certain death

They should get out while they can

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Tue Mar-15-11 11:05 PM
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14. get out?

Seem like we have a Chornobyl-like situation where some very hard decisions have to be made, including staying and dying to try to get control of the situation. My close friend in Japan has told me that the Japanese are notoriously bad at making hard decisions. If I recall correctly, Chornobyl wasn't brought under control by only 50 guys staying behind, either.

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SpoonFed

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Wed Mar-16-11 11:48 PM
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29. and I'm not the only one who thinks this either:

Looking at a recent article from NYT:

�Everything in their system is built to build consensus slowly,� said one American official who would not be quoted by name because of the delicacy of discussions with Japan. �And everything in this crisis is about moving quickly. It�s not working.�

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/17/world/asia/17nuclear.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&hp

I think it will come out that this is fundamentally why this has spiraled out of control for so long already.

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joshcryer

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Wed Mar-16-11 03:00 AM
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17. You are advocating allowing the plants to go without control and likely do wild scale contamination.

Yup.

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AtheistCrusader

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Thu Mar-17-11 12:18 AM
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31. Perhaps.

The levels at the plant are no longer being publicized (which does not bode well).
Then again, the numbers are considered dangerous for unprotected humans. I expect they are doing their best to keep it out of their lungs, and off their skin, for instance.

But we shall see. It is difficult to play guessing games with the amount of information at hand, and poor taste to try.

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Tue Mar-15-11 09:43 PM
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10. if they are doing this, then the workers could not survive long enough to make any difference

in the radiation present.

Otherwise, you know there would be some who would sacrifice themselves to man the ship.
They were already doing that pretty much.

This can only mean they have been told that they would be dead so quickly as to make their sacrifice in vain.

:(

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Lint Head

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Tue Mar-15-11 09:53 PM
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11. There is no the worst case scenario than having Re-Pubic-cons in office.

The world will not melt but Japan made become uninhabitable.

This is a sad day for mankind. Einstein would not be proud.

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jpak

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Tue Mar-15-11 09:57 PM
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12. The use of seawater to cool the plants may have made things worse

Edited on Tue Mar-15-11 10:05 PM by jpak

they had no choice - but seawater contains abundant chloride, sulfate and some nitrate - when combined with hydrogen ions from the radiolytic decomposition of seawater, it could form hydrochloric, nitric acid & sulfuric acid...

a highly corrosive acid mixture.

Sea salt deposition could have consequences for valves and other mechanical devices as well

/rant

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