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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-11 01:54 PM
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"These are the types of challenges that engineers and scientists would love to work on, but ..."
Experts lay out energy game plan


By Alan Boyle
Experts from around the world today unveiled a six-point game plan for "decarbonizing" the world's sources of electric power over the next 20 years. The Equinox Summit's closing communique, issued at the Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics in Waterloo, Ontario, adds some new twists to the usual prescriptions for breaking our reliance on fossil fuels. But the big question is: Who'll pick up the ball?

We'll focus on that question during the next episode of "Virtually Speaking Science," airing at 1 p.m. ET Saturday on Blog Talk Radio and in the Second Life virtual world. My guest on the show is Martin Hoffert, professor emeritus of physics at New York University, who'll lay out the energy challenges that lie ahead.

"These are the types of challenges that engineers and scientists would love to work on, but there's no money," Hoffert told me.

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"The private sector is not going to be able to do this alone," he told me. "That's like saying private companies could have figured out a profitable way to go to the moon. We would not have a commercial aviation industry if there had not been a massive aerospace industry that developed out of World War II and military aircraft."

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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-11 02:55 PM
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Best line of the article: "the world could be destroyed by irrational people". Yup, and they work non-stop.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-11 03:05 PM
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2. More "special interest science" on behalf of the nuclear industry?
Edited on Sat Jun-11-11 03:19 PM by kristopher
The dismissal of the renewable option clearly identifies the motives of those involved in the conference referenced in the OP. We could suppose that the scientists associated with the IPCC are "irrational people" that will destroy the world; or we could suppose that the nuclear industry is desperate to keep funding for fission going in spite of the tragedy at Fukushima.

Referrring to the latest IPCC report on the topic:
Renewable energy sources are expected to contribute up to 80 percent of global energy supply by 2050, according to a new report published by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

Among the report’s points of emphasis: wind power alone is capable of supplying more than 100 percent of future demand.

“The report clearly demonstrates that renewable technologies could supply the world with more energy than it would ever need, and at a highly competitive cost,” said Steve Sawyer, secretary general of the Global Wind Energy Council. “The IPCC report will be a key reference for policy makers and industry alike, as it represents the most comprehensive high level review of renewable energy to date.”

The 1,000-page report, which was adopted by 194 governments after marathon negotiations on May 9, considers the potential contribution from wind, solar, biomass, geothermal, hydro, and ocean energy, as well as their potential to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, their integration into the energy networks, their contribution to sustainable development, and the policies which are needed to put them in place. Following a review of 164 scenarios, the IPCC found that renewables will play a key role in any successful plan to combat climate change.

http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2011/05/100-percent-renewables-the-resources-are-there-says-un-report



When I wrote of special interest science and the nuclear industry, I was referring to a known and established pattern of behavior. Ethicist Shrader-Frachette examined the claims by nuclear proponents regarding the ability of nuclear to solve our global warming problems. It provides a sample by which the "conference" reported on in the OP should be evaluated:
Data Trimming, Nuclear Emissions, and Climate Change
Kristin Sharon Shrader-FrechetteSci Eng Ethics (2009) 15:19–23 DOI 10.1007/s11948-008-9097-y

Abstract
Ethics requires good science. Many scientists, government leaders, and industry representatives support tripling of global-nuclear-energy capacity on the grounds that nuclear fission is ‘‘carbon free’’ and ‘‘releases no greenhouse gases.’’ However, such claims are scientifically questionable (and thus likely to lead to ethically questionable energy choices) for at least 3 reasons. (i) They rely on trimming the data on nuclear greenhouse-gas emissions (GHGE), perhaps in part because flawed Kyoto Protocol conventions require no full nuclear-fuel-cycle assessment of carbon content. (ii) They underestimate nuclear-fuel-cycle releases by erroneously assuming that mostly high-grade uranium ore, with much lower emissions, is used. (iii) They inconsistently compare nuclear-related GHGE only to those from fossil fuels, rather than to those from the best GHG-avoiding energy technologies. Once scientists take account of (i)–(iii), it is possible to show that although the nuclear fuel cycle releases (per kWh) much fewer GHG than coal and oil, nevertheless it releases far more GHG than wind and solar-photovoltaic. Although there may be other, ethical, reasons to support nuclear tripling, reducing or avoiding GHG does not appear to be one of them.




iii) They inconsistently compare nuclear-related GHGE only to those from fossil fuels, rather than to those from the best GHG-avoiding energy technologies. ...Although there may be other, ethical, reasons to support nuclear tripling, reducing or avoiding GHG does not appear to be one of them.
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