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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 03:50 PM Original message |
Department of Energy Sunshot Initiative |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
1. They need to "Drive the Technology" not "Buy the Project" |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 04:26 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. ROFLMAO |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 10:10 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. $0.31 and $0.41 per Kw/hr for solar = 4 Times the COST |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 01:49 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Solarshot, China, solar-cost-declining, nuclear-expensive, Fukushima, nuclear-cost-increasing |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 08:25 AM Response to Reply #6 |
11. No solar can produce .07 / Kw |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-14-11 12:05 AM Response to Reply #11 |
41. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that's about right for some forms of Concentrating solar, but |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 02:06 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. "6 cents per kilowatt hour without subsidies" |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 08:22 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Hopeful OPINION piece vs: Hard Science - No PV can produce .06 Kw |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 10:17 AM Response to Reply #10 |
16. We don't need more govt funded research, we need solar manufacturing plants. |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 10:42 AM Response to Reply #16 |
21. Ya - more $0.43 per Kw plants - like that will ever fly |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 10:55 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. I think we've both expressed our thoughts, others can determine what to believe. |
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Kaleva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 11:14 PM Response to Reply #10 |
39. Economics of scale. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-14-11 12:03 AM Response to Reply #2 |
40. That's spectacular, but joe home user like myself needs a little help with the capital outlay. |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 09:20 PM Response to Original message |
3. Cost per kilowatt hour is the only factor I consider |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 10:27 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Look at your Electricity Bill - Now times it by a factor of 5 |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 08:50 AM Response to Reply #5 |
13. Using fossil fuels will destroy us -- we must end fossil fuels ASAP |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 09:14 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Totally in favor of Renewables |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 10:31 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. We do not need "a technological breakthrough" |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 10:41 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Thats is LYING - and if you actually had a degree as you proclaim |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 10:56 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. I think we've both expressed our thoughts, others can determine what to believe. |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 11:38 AM Response to Reply #15 |
24. I, too, sometimes chide the poster for being more consistently pro-fossil fuels than renewables |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 12:15 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. What you attempt... |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 12:53 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. You can only state that honestly if I cannot google the links where you state exactly that |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 01:10 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. You don't need to google anything. |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 02:18 PM Response to Reply #24 |
34. So you understand no 1 remedy "Fits All" in this equation |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 03:47 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. No silver bullet inother words, correct |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 02:11 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. OP: $0.06/kwh solar by 2020 |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 08:35 AM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Paraphrasing your link: We won't build a new energy system without storage |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 10:22 AM Response to Reply #12 |
17. You aren't paraphrasing, you are falsely mis-stating. |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 12:01 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. You misunderstand my position on energy storage for renewables |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 12:12 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. No I do not misunderstand your position. |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 12:48 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. You're making a disagreement where none exists - unless you were falsifying in post #8 |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 01:11 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. Your words, muddled as they are, speak for themself. |
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LAGC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 03:15 AM Response to Original message |
9. I hope this is really true. |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 08:59 AM Response to Reply #9 |
14. Don't forget that the costs of using fossil fuels are mostly obscured today |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 10:39 AM Response to Reply #9 |
19. That is certainly what happened in the nuclear industry. |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 12:19 PM Response to Reply #19 |
28. We're not in disagreement that the nuclear construction industry is greedy and "bids low" |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 01:56 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. There is no magic nuclear technology that can solve the problems of fission. |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 04:06 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Cost, waste, proliferation and safety - the same old unproven, unprovable fables |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 05:50 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Not according to MIT |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 06:50 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Apparently, not everyone at MIT is very smart |
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