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FBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 04:39 AM
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Deja Vu All Over Again at Fukushima Daiichi?
Amid the fallout from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant crisis, it now appears operator Tokyo Electric Power Co., or Tepco, and Japan’s Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency, or NISA, may have missed troubling signals. These include signs the 40-year old plant was vulnerable in terms of precautionary procedures and outmoded equipment in a way that’s disconcertingly reminiscent of incidents at Three Mile Island.

Nine months before the March 11 earthquake and tsunami that precipitated the nuclear disaster, a loss of power triggered a two-meter drop in water levels inside the plant’s No. 2 reactor. Unlike the March meltdown, the little-reported June 17, 2010 glitch didn’t release radiation. And it wasn’t caused by a giant wave, but rather a misplaced elbow.

In a final report issued about the incident on July 6, 2010, Tepco noted the cramped work space in the plant’s control room as a contributing factor. For some nuclear power plant experts, that invokes a power sense of déjà vu.


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According to the report: “On November 3, 1978, a mechanic caused a complete shutdown of the plant, including exercising of emergency systems, when he tripped a switch on the polisher electrical panel, thinking he was turning on a light. The only corrective action was to put a guard on the switch.

http://blogs.wsj.com/japanrealtime/2011/06/15/deja-vu-all-over-again-at-fukushima-daiichi/
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LAGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 05:08 AM
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1. Wow, some of those officials need to be publicly flogged.
The more that comes out about this crisis, the more it sounds like it was all entirely preventable. The warning signs were all over the place, just no one seemed to want to listen.

"Ah gee shucks, we'll get around to it tomorrow."

:spank:
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 07:48 AM
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2. Only the best and brightest...
Yikes.
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oldbanjo Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 08:44 AM
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3. I have a question
I don't know much about forums so this is new to me. I just Googled this "reactors on the Missouri River", there is a reactor in Nebraska that has had a stage four alert, the cooling pumps to the fuel pool were shut off and the fuel was heating up due to a fire also there is a danger that this reactor and others may flood. WHY ISN'T THIS ON THE NEWS?
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 09:38 AM
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4. It is on the news.
Power was out for 90 minutes to the cooling pumps before it was restored. Pool temp went up 2 degrees.

Fine now.

Yes, there is flooding risk. vOv Not sure what you are looking for. There's quite a lot of potential industrial disaster type risk on those rivers right now, beyond just the reactors.

Some things don't like getting wet, and it doesn't take a reactor to kill a couple thousand people.
Not to alarm you or anything.
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oldbanjo Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 01:52 PM
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7. It looked important to me
and I hadn't seen anything about it on DU or Current or on my TV stations. Where did you see it?
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 02:12 PM
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8. There is often little coverage of near misses unless something has focused attention on the area...
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FBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 02:16 PM
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10. Bravo!
So much better than spamming the thread... don't you think?
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oldbanjo Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 02:30 PM
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12. I wish I hadn't seen that
WOW. I've PT inspected Pressurizer Nozzles for cracks, but I've never seen anything like that.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 04:12 PM
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16. They turned a whistleblower into a scapegoat
They put the workers between a rock and a hard place,
then put the screws to them if they get out of line.

Jan 2006: 3 accused of lying about reactor(indicted)-Ohio, First Energy, Davis-Besse
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=115x39228

Aug 2008: Jury: Worker covered up damage at Ohio nuke plant (worst corrosion ever found at a U.S. reactor)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3455514

Feb 2009: Engineer receives probation for role in Davis-Besse cover-up
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=115x186390

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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 04:13 PM
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17. March 2010: Same kind of cracks found again at Davis-Besse
March 2010: Cracks found in critical reactor parts at Davis-Besse power plant
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4307373#4307459

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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 04:15 PM
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18. Aug 2003: Slammer worm crashed Ohio nuke plant network (FirstEnergy, Davis-Besse)
Aug 2003: Slammer worm crashed Ohio nuke plant network (FirstEnergy, Davis-Besse)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x203715

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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 04:06 PM
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15. enenews.com is a good site for nuclear news
It's a new site that sprung up after Fukushima,
here's a story on the Nebraska plant:
http://enenews.com/fly-zone-remains-troubled-nuclear-plant-omaha-effect-flood-relief-efforts

No-fly zone remains over troubled nuclear plant near Omaha — “In effect for flood relief efforts”
June 14th, 2011 at 12:50 PM

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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 11:19 AM
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5. heh
They have had their heads up their asses for longer than that.

Just thinking they could control the vast power of nuke plants shows they have always been insane.

Now it is: Your dirty air are belong to us.
Quit laughing, that is not funny.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 12:54 PM
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6. The problem isn't incompetence, design or operator error; it is the consequence of failure.
Edited on Wed Jun-15-11 12:54 PM by kristopher
You can't eliminate failure...
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FBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 02:15 PM
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9. What are the consequences if a large dam breaks?
What are the consequences of building a city with with a population of millions on a major fault line? A volcano?

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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 02:27 PM
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11. "What does anything matter, we're all going to die anyway"
Is that your next failed nihilistic argument?
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FBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 02:31 PM
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13. Is this the 4th time you've dodged these questions or the 5th?
I have trouble keeping track.

Do you think there's anyone who can't guess WHY you do so?
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SpoonFed Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 03:55 PM
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14. Dodged questions?

Your nihilism with respect to the actuality of reactor failures is somehow a question that requires an answer? It sure seems to me when you're pushed down the road to admitting that in reality reactors have failures and we can expect Chornobyl/Fukushimas down the road no-matter-what, you wind up in a philosophical rhetorical dead end and expect some response? WTF?

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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 08:04 PM
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19. "Philosophical dead end"
You mean like not grasping the difference between nihilism and sarcasm?
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