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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 10:39 AM
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Doubting Assurances, Japanese Find Radioactivity on Their Own
IWAKI, Japan — Kiyoko Okoshi had a simple goal when she spent about $625 for a dosimeter: she missed her daughter and grandsons and wanted them to come home.

Local officials kept telling her that their remote village was safe, even though it was less than 20 miles from the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant. But her daughter remained dubious, especially since no one from the government had taken radiation readings near their home.

So starting in April, Mrs. Okoshi began using her dosimeter to check nearby forest roads and rice paddies. What she found was startling. Near one sewage ditch, the meter beeped wildly, and the screen read 67 microsieverts per hour, a potentially harmful level. Mrs. Okoshi and a cousin who lives nearby worked up the courage to confront elected officials, who did not respond, confirming their worry that the government was not doing its job.

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Although dosimeter measurements taken by amateurs are considered crude because they measure only one kind of radiation emission and do not account for how long a person may have been exposed to it, Mr. Sato suspected that Mrs. Okoshi’s fears were founded after he saw a map of airborne and soil readings made by the United States Department of Energy and the Japanese government. It, too, is relatively basic, but it showed a patch of bright yellow right over her village of Shidamyo, an indicator of high levels of the radioactive isotopes cesium 134 and cesium 137.

The councilman, in turn, recruited Shinzo Kimura, the radiation expert who quit the Health Ministry. Mr. Kimura has since done extensive testing to see if Mrs. Okoshi’s readings were right. He says they are — and that is bad news.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/01/world/asia/01radiation.html
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 10:56 AM
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1. A dosimeter or a Geiger counter?
The story describes a Geiger counter.
A dosimeter does not tread immediate radiation, only total accumulation.

What else is wrong with this story? How factual is it really? If the author doesn't know the difference between a dosimeter and a Geiger counter, he too ignorant to be writing stories about radiation.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 11:03 AM
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2. So you know all of the products on the market in Japan?
Edited on Mon Aug-01-11 11:12 AM by kristopher
It seems probable that both features would be able to be combined into one unit. Do you know for a fact that the demand in Japan has not resulted in devices you are not familiar with?

Edited to add:
It isn't even new. This seller has 7 used ones available on EBay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Siemens-Radiation-Detector-Dosimeter-Geiger-Counter-/120748289951#vi-content

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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 11:29 AM
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3. I stand by my last post here.
"Although dosimeter measurements taken by amateurs are considered crude because they measure only one kind of radiation emission and do not account for how long a person may have been exposed to it,..."

This is exactly what a dosimeter does.

Maybe you need to open your closed mind a bit, and then you reread the article.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 12:30 PM
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4. Of course you do... nt
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:09 PM
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5. Oh, good, you admit I am correct.
No argument against mine.
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SpoonFed Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 04:35 PM
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7. You mean...

does a probable translation error mean that Nukushima hasn't been erupting a mountain of shit since day 1 of this disaster?

No.

:eyes:
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 03:47 PM
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6. They aren't the only people interested, China has been testing the ocean.
Waters close to Fukushima plant affected by radiation: China

From K J M Varma
Beijing, Jul 31 (PTI) Waters of the western Pacific, close to Japan''s tsunami-hit nuclear plant, are "clearly affected" by the radioactive materials leaked from the crippled Fukushima facility, tests by China''s state agency have found.

China''s State Oceanic Administration, which conducted the studies in the area, said today that waters in the western Pacific region, close to the east and southeast of the Fukushima nuclear power plant are found to have radioactive material in excess of normal quantities.

Initial tests of samples collected from these areas show that radioactive Cesium-137 and -134, as well as Strontium-90 can be found in all water samples, it said in a statement.

Under normal conditions, Cesium-134 cannot be detected in sea waters, but the maximum amounts of Cesium-137 and Strontium-90 detected in the samples are 300 times and 10 times, respectively, of the amounts of natural background radiation in China''s territorial waters, it said.

http://news.in.msn.com/international/article.aspx?cp-documentid=5331762&ocid=tweet
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