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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 01:26 PM
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Reaping Oil From Discarded Plastic
http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/29/an-oil-bonanza-in-discarded-plastic/
September 29, 2011, 10:02 am

Reaping Oil From Discarded Plastic

By MICHAEL KANELLOS



Agilyx, an Oregon-based start-up, says it has created a system that converts discarded plastic into crude oil. A prototype has been in development for 18 months, and the company says it hopes to start selling commercial versions in about nine months.

The system, an assembly of pipes and vessels that will cost around $5 million, essentially cooks plastics into a gas and then condenses the vapor into a soup of long-chain hydrocarbons that can subsequently be converted into diesel, jet fuel or other substances.

One factory module can turn 40,000 pounds of plastic into 130 barrels of oil a day, and larger modules are on the way, according to Bob Schwarz, Agilyx’s chief financial officer. Roughly a gallon of gas can be squeezed out of seven to 10 pounds of plastic, he said.

While refiners would process landfill oil into final products, trash companies would largely own and operate the machinery to make the basic feedstock. Many systems would by default probably wind up on landfills near large cities. “Plastic is where the population is,” Mr. Schwarz said.

I wonder how much energy it takes to “… (cook) plastics into a gas …”
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 01:33 PM
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1. Thermal depolymerization has been around for a long time
and this sounds like another version of it. It was used most notably on waste at a Butterball plant until an oil associated company bid up the price on offal to the point it became unprofitable.

I can easily see such plants being next to landfills in the future, mining the trash we've thrown away for decades for the petroleum locked inside it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_depolymerization
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 01:42 PM
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2. I heard about something like this some ten years ago!
The concept I heard discussed enabled you to throw everything from turkey parts to computers into the mess, but it was the same idea. If you're doing it at a landfill, they can capture methane from the fill itself, and use what they produce to power the machine.

I also like the idea of dog park streetlights powered by dogshit. You walk your dog, you pick up the turd, you throw it into a digester that converts it to methane, and VOILA--you've got lights in the evening!!

Happening in Cambridge (and elsewhere I believe), now! http://www.good.is/post/streelights-powered-by-dog-poop1/



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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 01:44 PM
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3. The patent was given back in 1939.
The process is only becoming viable now.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 01:57 PM
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5. I think it's a wonderful prospect! When I first read about it, it captured my imagination. NT
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 01:55 PM
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4. Or you could drive a wood-burning car.
Edited on Sat Oct-01-11 02:00 PM by MineralMan




They've been around since the 1930s. Kinda ugly, though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wood_gas
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 02:02 PM
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6. Wood pellet car burns way to speed record
http://www.sungazette.com/page/content.detail/id/555087/Wood-pellet-car-burns-way-to-speed-record.html?nav=5011

Robert "Chip" Beam said he traveled last month from his South Williamsport home to the Bonneville Salt Flats in Utah where his two-door sedan was clocked at just under 48 mph, its top speed on the mile-long course.

Recordkeepers still are searching for words to describe the feat accomplished without using gasoline, as Beam said his 1989 Mercury Cougar XR7 is completely powered by burning wood pellets manufactured from timber debris often collected at furniture-crafting workshops.

"There's no category for a wood-powered car," Beam said...Now that a record's been established, Beam hopes it's challenged by himself or someone else at next year's competition.

"This year, we set the record. Next year, we're hoping to break the record," Beam said of the accomplishment achieved with the rear trunk combustion system he and his business partner Larry Shilling of Alfred, N.Y., constructed in just a few weekends for their Beaver Energy company.
...

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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 02:06 PM
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7. You bet. They were big in Europe in the late 30s and during WWII.
No gasoline, so they made wood gas generators to run their vehicles. The process was invented in 1839, and the first wood-gas car ran in 1901. Lots of ways to skin a cat, but first you have to have a dead cat.
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 02:12 PM
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8. North Koreans run them

That is, when they can get them to run.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 02:25 PM
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9. It's a pretty clumsy way to run an internal combustion engine, and
if poorly designed, the gas contains lots of tar that can clog things up pretty quickly. Still...it can be done.
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 06:08 PM
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10. Nothing new under the Sun…
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FBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 06:22 PM
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11. Oil would have to go MUCH higher before this would make sense.
$10-15/bbl or so just in capital costs plus whatever it costs to round up 20 tons of plastic every day... plus labor costs. I don't see how that possibly adds up to $52/bbl.

Maybe they're externalizing some of the costs? Perhaps they have some municipality on the hook that's already paying to collect plastics as part of a recycling effort and is willing to sell it to them at well below cost.
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 07:11 PM
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12. According to the article


Waste Management, the Houston-based national waste pickup company, has invested in Agilyx and a number of other resource recovery companies and has begun to position itself as a resource services company as well, as opposed to your average garbage hauler. Total Energy Ventures international, the venture-capital arm of the French oil giant Total, and Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers have also invested in Agilyx.

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