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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 10:37 AM
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Oh good, the US gets a license to use methyl bromide on strawberries.
I have always felt that life is not worth living without strawberries. I am prepared to have my whole family die for strawberries.

WATSONVILLE, California (AP) -- Farmer Vanessa Bogenholm won't go near the pesticide methyl bromide even though it could boost her strawberry harvest. But just down the coast in Salinas, grower Tom Jones says his berry farm can't survive without the powerful toxin.

The two farmers both help California supply more than 85 percent of the nation's strawberries, but they part ways when it comes to methyl bromide, a soil fumigant that an international treaty has banned as of this year for all but the most critical uses.

Methyl bromide continues in wide use because the Bush administration has convinced other treaty signatories that U.S. farmers can't do without it -- whether for California berries, Florida tomatoes, North Carolina Christmas trees or Michigan melons.

The treaty, called the Montreal Protocol, has targeted methyl bromide because it is among chemicals that deplete the earth's protective ozone layer.

It also can cause neurological damage, but methyl bromide's tenacity demonstrates the difficulty of banishing a substance that is wildly successful at delivering what both farmers and consumers want: abundant, pest-free and affordable produce...



http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science/11/28/pesticide.politics.ap/index.html

There is little limit to the depravity of these fuckers.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 10:39 AM
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1. C'mon, NN - what's strawberry shortcake w/o ozone depletion?
:shrug:

I don't know what to say about this anymore, except that the process of our voluntarily putting out the lights seems to be quickening.
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 11:16 AM
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7. You're right. Strawberry shortcake tastes better without ozone.
Probably the UV radiation will kill any bacteria that grows on it.

This will greatly reduce the need for refrigeration, since you can simply keep your cake fresh and perky by leaving it outdoors.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 01:03 PM
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20. And as we ALL know, perfect-looking strawberries are far more important .
Than strawberries that taste like strawberries. :eyes:
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 10:50 AM
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2. Buy organic kids.
Boycott anything else.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 10:52 AM
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4. Get this!
But workers who inhale enough of the chemical can suffer convulsions, coma and neuromuscular and cognitive problems. In rare cases, they can die.

Less is known about the long-term effects of low levels of contact, said Dr. Robert Harrison, an occupational and environmental health physician at the University of California, San Francisco.


Good gawd.


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mastein Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 02:04 PM
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12. The dose is the difference
Yes MeBr is bad stuff, but so is just about any other pesticide, or for that matter anything, including water if you take in enough of it. This sort of headline ripping is fear mongering. It should not be used by either side of the debate.

MeBr when used as a pesticide must be applied within the instructions listed on the label. That is the law. I haven't seen a label for MeBr for a while (my work has taken me away from EPA) but I am willing to bet it specifies several precautions including the use of proper personal protective equipment and a reentry time (that is amount of time necessary for the soil fumigant to dissipate before it is safe to enter the field again).

My biggest concern isn't regulating the suppliers of the stuff as much as it is regulating the users who force their hired help (read aliens, quite often) to use it against the label and create health problems for the applicators.

As usual, if you have questions or comments post here or you can mail me on my DU mailbox.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 03:56 PM
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13. And - the unknown long term effects!
Pesticides are harmful and not necessary as there are alternatives.
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mastein Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 10:00 PM
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15. You think too simply
The effects of MeBr and most bromides are pretty well described, compared to most chemicals, including many currently used pesticides.

The larger question of pesticide use is more difficult. On some level I would like very much to agree with you, but having spent a good deal of time around farmers, I can tell you that there is no way we would have as cheap or abundant food if we didn't have pesticides, and use them wisely.

In a perfect world there would be no need for them, but we have too many people both here and worldwide who all need to be fed, and pesticides allow farmers to grow lots of crops so that the 97%+ of us that don't farm can take on other parts of the economy.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 10:05 PM
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17. Yes organic gardening is "simple" and not deadly.
Call me a simpleton. :eyes:

There is NO NEED FOR pesticides. People were fed long before chemical pesticides made a way in the marketplace and there are organic options.
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mastein Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 02:16 PM
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22. The only reason for pesticides is so that all may eat
My wife and I keep an organic vegetable garden, and eat from it a often as we can. So yes organic is best, hands down.

My stance however, is that we now have 6 billion people in the world and a farm economy that is difficult for small family farms to survive. Pesticides allow farmers to raise crops at a pace such that they can feed the world and make a MODEST living for themselves.

Anyone who knows farming knows that most farmers make modest livings at best. At worst they lose their farm for ONE bad year. Use of pesticides to maximize yield allows the farmer to feed his own family, and other families as well. Just as an example, most organic corn I have seen goes no more than 30-40 bushels per acre, the stuff with pesticides built in (not talking GMA) goes up to 250 bushels per acre. Our country, let alone the rest of the world could not survive on 30-40 bushels per acre. It can on 250 b/acre.

So which would you rather do? kill off part of the world's population from hunger or use pesticides?
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 04:09 PM
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23. I know organic farmers who survive. And, I disagree that we would
Edited on Thu Dec-01-05 04:10 PM by mzmolly
kill part of the worlds population by NOT using pesticides. In fact, we're killing people because we DO.
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 08:21 PM
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14. The Montreal Protocol is about the ozone layer, not toxicity
In many places illegal aliens suffer the toxicity. The growers don't know who their workers are, and more importantly, they don't want to know. They leave that up to the labor contractors.

When an illegal alien worker gets sick, either they go home, or the county takes care of them. They are essentially disposable workers who get used until they break.

As the ozone layer is depleted the farmworkers will suffer that too. They are the ones outside every day, under the sun.
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mastein Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 10:03 PM
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16. You get the Ceasar Chavez award for the day!
Agreed whole heartedly on all counts. Just look at the skin cancer (meligant melonoma rates in particular) among that group over the last 40 years.
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 12:36 PM
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8. In my area, it's really difficult to find organic fresh strawberries.
I'm willing to pay the extra money, but I can't find them even in the summer. :(
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 12:58 PM
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9. Such a drag. I can find them every where here. Check this link
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 12:27 PM
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19. Thank you for the link, mzmolly. It looks like a wonderful...
resource.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 10:50 AM
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3. Ahh, the irony...I read your post as I stick a spoon in my frozen
strawberries I've just mixed in with my carton of plain yogurt....:shrug:

I guess with Bush* policies, we're all going to surely develop some horrible malady... or be blown up...:shrug:
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 11:02 AM
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5. K & R in defense of the strawberry nm
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One_Life_To_Give Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 11:09 AM
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6. But it's not radioactive!
So it must be alright.:evilgrin:
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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 01:37 PM
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11. LOL... nt
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 01:27 PM
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10. The world will end if we don't have cheap factory farm strawberries!
No, that's not it, how about this:

If we don't have methyl bromide we will be forced to build shopping centers and houses on our strawberry fields!

Yeah, that's the ticket...

Methyl Bromide allows growers to plant strawberries in the same place, in the same way, year after year after year.

Growing strawberries without methyl bromide takes some planning, otherwise the weeds and the root pests (especially nematodes) soon make the crop unprofitable.

The most common methods of growing strawberries organically involve crop rotations and pest resistant strawberry varieties.

There are alternative ways of growing non-organic strawberries, but the chemicals used are more expensive than methyl bromide.

The Bush administration mostly wants to give U.S. strawberry growers an unfair advantage in the world market, and probably suspects that other nations will be inclined to cheat on treaties against methyl bromide.

The rest of the world will correctly interpret this as more U.S. bullying and hypocrisy.

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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 01:06 AM
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18. but if you get enough neurological damage the skin cancer might not
seem bad,maybe even funny.look on the sunny side.the really really sunny side.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 01:23 PM
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21. LOL
:rofl:
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 04:19 PM
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24. Yes, let's look at the sunny side! More jobs! More jobs!


An Uruk-hai field worker prepares to pick strawberries.
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