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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 11:41 AM
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Where have all the icebergs gone? Where have all the icebergs gone?
http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article548824.ece

A mere 1,000 feet above the frigid waters of the North Atlantic the debate began in earnest. The pilot of the US Coast Guard's sturdy C130 plane believed the object which had appeared on both of the plane's radars was an iceberg. One of two young but experienced ice observers on board disagreed.

To definitively identify the target, the plane started to descend to a mettle-testing 400 feet. This was part of the mission, and what is demanded of the staff of the International Ice Patrol (IIP) by the hundreds of ships that traverse this relatively small part of the ocean and rely on its findings for their safety.

Ever since the Titanic struck what was actually one of more than 350 icebergs drifting amid the northern Atlantic shipping lanes in April, 1912, the US Coast Guard has undertaken annual iceberg patrols to help protect passenger and freight vessels that sail through the congested waters east of Canada and down the east coast of America.

"Before we started there were 113 recorded sinkings caused by icebergs," says Michael Hicks, the present Commander of the International Ice Patrol. "There have only been 19 since (omega) the Titanic sank, and all of those were vessels that chose to ignore our warnings."

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Stargleamer Donating Member (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 01:16 PM
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1. Gone to water everyone. . .
when will they ever learn? when will they ever learn?
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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 02:27 PM
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2. Initially, global warming should lead to more icebergs- faster melting
Edited on Sun May-21-06 02:36 PM by lindisfarne
glaciers would generate more ice bergs. But as the article mentions, changes caused by global warming, such as more storms generating more waves, could cause them to disintegrate faster.

This is chilling - if it's correct: "5 degrees - The average air temperature increase in the Arctic over the last 100 years." I didn't realize the average temp had increased that much - I wonder how many years' average this statement is based on. (And is this based on the entire Arctic? Or just certain parts of the Arctic?)
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Ideas-Man Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 11:15 AM
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3. Use the extra water to Fight Global warming.
We need to convert to powering our world with Hydrogen and Water, instead of Oil.

Ww could be de-salinating the sea water and building water pipelines instead of oil pipelines, from every coast. Water pipelines would also end hunger and thirst world wide, while using the extra water from raising oceans to fight global warming. Everyone could be getting oceans of fuel from
the oceans that are around every county.

We also could be RE-salinating the oceans where we're having a problem with them being de-salinated from all the ice melting and fresh water coming into the oceans. Take all the extra salt from de-salinating and put back in where it's needed.

I just started a new wbesite Ideas To Save the Planet.
http://www.ideastosavetheplanet.org /

My ideas is for the world to convert to Water and Hydrogen
instead of Oil. Desalinate sea water and build water
pipelines from everyone's coast lines, and everyone having
residential fuel cells and fuel cell cars, that are powered by
hydrogen gas they produce themselves from water. Then
everyone would have zero emissions homes and cars. This
technology has existed of 167 years, we just haven't made it
a priority to implement it.

http://www.ideastosavetheplanet.org/pages/global-conver...
http://www.ideastosavetheplanet.org/pages/desalinate-se...
http://www.ideastosavetheplanet.org/pages/water-pipelin...

Here's a quote from me from my website

"A technology that could be Saving this Planet has been
sitting on the Shelf, just waiting to used, for 167 years!

People are saying that it's going to take another 20-50 years
to get the Hydrogen Economy and Hydrogen and Water powered
Car.

I want to say to those people...

"We, the United States of America, survived the Great
Depression, then mobilized the entire nation to build Planes,
Tanks, Guns, Bullets, and even invented Nuclear Bombs to Win
World War II, a War that killed 50 million people, Saving the
World in only 4 years. That is why our grand parents are
called the Greatest Generation, because they Saved the World.

We also have overcome the huge evils of Slavery and
Segregation.

The Hydrogen Fuel Cell was invented in 1839, 167 years ago.

Are you seriously saying that we can do all that, but it's
going to take another 50 years, making it 217 years, to get a
Hydrogen powered home and car?

I think that this generation can be equally as Great if we
only made fighting Global Warming and Saving the World Again
a National Priority by converting to the Zero Emission
Hydrogen Economy. Then mobilize the Nation to Build and
Install clean Hydrogen Technologies in every Home, Business
and Car like we did to build Planes, Tanks, Guns, and Bullets
during World War II. The United States of America could fully
convert to the Hydrogen Economy in only 4 years not in 50.

Then we can help the rest of the World to Live Sustainably by
spreading Hydrogen Technologies as well as Desalinating the
Oceans of Water that are all around us and building Water
Pipelines instead of Oil Pipelines.

I'm talking about Modernizing every Home, Building, Business,
Government Building, Car, Truck, Motorcycle, Train, Tractor,
Plane, Bus, Boat....Fully converting to the Clean Power of
Hydrogen from Water, and other sustainable technologies like
Solar, Wind, and Bio-diesel - Worldwide. Creating a Zero
Emission Civilization and Planet.

Thus Saving the World, Again, by Ending Global Warming,
Ending Hunger and Thirst, and Wars for Food, Water and Oil,
without killing 50 million people.

We've already proven that such mobilization is possible, we
just have to regain the Political and Moral Will, and Choose
to be Great Again!

Demand that the World make fighting Global Warming a Global
Priority and convert to the Zero Emission Hydrogen Economy
Now! 167 years is too long to wait!"


You all could be Choosing to Be Great Again by talking about
hydrogen and doing what you can to maifest the hydrogen
economy.

Thank you for listening and thank you for choosing to care
about saving the planet.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 11:55 PM
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4. Where are we going to get all the energy from?
To get the hydrogen for the fuel cell, you use electricity to "crack" water into hydrogen and oxygen.

When you want to use the hydrogen, you re-combine it with oxygen and/or catalysts, and electricity is generated. Almost as much as was used to split the molecule in the first place.

That's why many people like to refer to hydrogen as an "energy storage medium", not an energy-generating medium.

--p!

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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 03:47 AM
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5. I know ! From solar cells on the orbital sunshades!
(Oops ... wrong thread? :evilgrin: )
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