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IrateCitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 10:12 AM
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Feeling the Heat -- EnergyBulletin.net
This article does a good job at tying together the looming crises of fossil fuel peak and environmental degradation/global warming.

http://www.energybulletin.net/16238.html
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 07:19 PM
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1. Scary thought
Edited on Sun May-28-06 07:20 PM by depakid
"Today, China — with its 1.3 billion people — is on the same path. Picture Shanghai’s many bicycles filling the streets. No more. China banned bikes on Shanghai’s main roads to make room for millions of cars. China also wants to build more than five hundred coal-fired plants. India wants more than two hundred, and the United States has plans for seventy-two more."

And it's impressive to actually see these sentiments coming out of sprawling, land use planningless, North Carolina:

"Our sustainability nightmare began with the American dream — suburbia. At the turn of the twentieth century, cities were crowded and polluted, which caused public health problems. The government subsidized cars, oil, and highway construction. Banks gave better mortgage deals for suburban development. “We subsidized our way into sprawl,” says Philip Berke, professor of city and regional planning and chair of environmental studies. From an economic standpoint, it made sense. Environmentally, the problems keep popping up.

“If we continue to settle the way we do — with people in suburbs working thirty miles away and shopping twenty miles away — forget it,” Crawford-Brown says. “We’re doomed to high levels of energy use. Redesigning our communities is the ultimate answer.”

Too bad North Carolina city/burbs failed to invested in public transportation when times were good.
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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 08:26 PM
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2. five hundred coal-fired plants !?
Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 09:11 PM
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3. We're doomed....
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 05:48 AM
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4. Where is all the coal going to come from?
I remember seeing Professor Albert Bartlett on a real player video a couple of years ago talking about Peak Oil and coal use. Using it at the same rate, we were going to last 250 years. When we started using it for other things, thus increasing the usage, we were down to perhaps 40 years.

I think Ken Deffeyes talks about this too in one, or both, of his books.
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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 03:06 PM
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5. Good question
According to my envelope, China's reserves would be gone in about 50 years at that rate (assumming 1Gw plants and a similar consumption rate to western plants). And I'm ignoring "peak coal" - those last years are going to get really sticky...
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 03:27 PM
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6. Thanks, Dead_Parrot.
I'm glad to know it wasn't my tinfoil hat needing adjusting and that I was, at least, thinking along the right track. :)
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