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Reader Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 07:23 AM
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Links for educating global warming doubters?
It's completely beyond me how people can be in denial about this, but I frequent a few other forums where the issue crops up occasionally. I would like to be able to counter some of their ridiculous, denial-laden assertions with info from experts. Could folks here supply me with links? If possible, a wide variety would be great. Then they would find it far more difficult to pooh-pooh the individual scientists as someone with a political agenda.

Thanks in advance.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 07:23 AM
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1. twobyfour.com
is about what it'll take at this point.
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 07:38 AM
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2. Why bother? They're no different than Holocaust deniers.
Their denial has nothing to do with actually clarifying reality and verifying evidence. It's an ideological attack.
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 07:47 AM
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3. How about books?
I'm reading "The Weather Makers" by Tim Flannery right now, but I'll warn you he's a scientist, which in most people's eyes is a good thing. He's Australian and wrote it in an almost non-scientific way, speaking a language we can all understand. There's no doubt in my mind that he gets his point across.

Another book that speaks of global climate change - in a very round about, but interesting way - is "Collapse: How Civilizations Choose to Fail" (or something along that line - "Collapse" is correct) by Jared Diamond. It's not so much about global warming, but I walked away from the book understanding how everything works together much better.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 08:31 AM
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4. Hell, I hear various forms of this all the time
Industry propaganda and the professional "skeptics" have been quite effective.

In his book "The Carbon Wars," Jeremy Leggett calls em "the carbon club" and "the foot soldiers for the fossil-fuel industries."

Never underestimate the power of propaganda- or Americans' susceptibility. Critical thinking hasn't been values around here- well, the Reagan era.

Just yesterday an irritating little bastard posted this on a site that I help run:

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/harris061206.htm

Scientists respond to Gore's warnings of climate catastrophe
"The Inconvenient Truth" is indeed inconvenient to alarmists
By Tom Harris, Monday, June 12, 2006

"Scientists have an independent obligation to respect and present the truth as they see it," Al Gore sensibly asserts in his film "An Inconvenient Truth", showing at Cumberland 4 Cinemas in Toronto since Jun 2. With that outlook in mind, what do world climate experts actually think about the science of his movie?

<puke alert on the rest- but that's the kind of canny and dishonest crap we're dealing with>

A set of nice quick links- for very lay type people would people help.

ps:

The Author: Tom Harris .... of High Park Group, a public affairs and public policy company. (Look 'em up- it' a front group for the energy lobby).

You can also do a SourceWatch on the "scientists" they quote.
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Reader Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 10:34 AM
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5. That's the exact same article I'm currently combatting!
Maybe we're site-mates at places other than DU? LOL

What is it with people who believe this crap? The guy who wrote it is a Mechanical Engineer, for #$*&# sake! How does that make him an expert in environmental science?

It doesn't!
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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 10:53 AM
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lol...
...I've just ranted on another thread about "scientists". Since this isn't a '50s B-movie featuring giant ants, could we talk to climatologists and oceanographers rather than chromatologists and mycologists?
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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 10:53 AM
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6. lol...
...I've just ranted on another thread about "scientists". Since this isn't a '50s B-movie featuring giant ants, could we talk to climatologists and oceanographers rather than chromatologists and mycologists?
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:45 AM
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7. Yeah, look at the /. thread on that article.
Full of dittoheads. I mean they came out in full force. You can see my posts there with some links -- I used a kind of lateral approach.

http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/06/14/209235

BTW though people like to pan slashdotters as being conservative, the site is fairly split. The liberal geeks tend to be a bit less talkative, is all, as trolls and astroturfers really love the site and can cut and paste reams of material on a whim.



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seasat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 12:03 PM
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8. This is the best source period.
RealClimate.org

It is a site by scientists written to dispel propoganda from the media. If you go through this site you will find great science based rebuttals of the neoluddites along with the latest in developments in climate change research.
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