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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 08:37 PM
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Idaho Gov Calls for Wolf Kill - AP
Idaho Gov Calls for Wolf Kill

By JESSE HARLAN ALDERMAN
The Associated Press
Thursday, January 11, 2007; 7:57 PM

BOISE, Idaho -- Idaho's governor said Thursday he will support public hunts
to kill all but 100 of the state's gray wolves after the federal government
strips them of protection under the Endangered Species Act.

Gov. C.L. "Butch" Otter told The Associated Press that he wants hunters
to kill about 550 gray wolves. That would leave about 100 wolves, or 10 packs,
according to a population estimate by state wildlife officials.

The 100 surviving wolves would be the minimum before the animals could again
be considered endangered.

-snip-

Otter complained that wolves are rapidly killing elk and other animals essential
to Idaho's multimillion-dollar hunting industry. The hunters, many wearing
camouflage clothing and blaze-orange caps, applauded wildly during his comments.

Suzanne Stone, a spokeswoman for the advocacy group Defenders of Wildlife
in Boise, said Otter's proposal would return wolves to the verge of eradication.

-snip-

Full article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/11/AR2007011101613.html

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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 08:39 PM
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1. "Hunts" and "hunters" in this example
are pathetic misuses of terms.

So long as the other "hunting" industry is salvaged, then hey, fuck the wolves. They had a good run, right?
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 08:42 PM
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3. Wolf Hunt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJ2E4cf46nw

Russian title: Okhota na volkov

In my flight, sinews bursting, I hurtle,
But as yesterday - so now today,
They've cornered me! Driven me, encircled,
Towards the huntsmen that wait for their prey!
From the fir-trees the rifle-shots quicken -
In the shadows the huntsmen lie low.
As they fire, the wives somersault, stricken,
Living targets brought down on the snow.

They're hunting wolves! The hunt is on, pursuing
The wily predators, the she-wolf and her brood.
The beaters shout, the dogs bay, almost spewing.
The flags on the snow are red, as red as the blood.

In the fight heavy odds have opposed us,
But the merciless huntsmen keep ranks.
With the flags on their ropes they've enclosed us.
They take aim and they fire at point blank.
For a wolf cannot break with tradition.
With milk sucked from the she-wolfs dugs
The blind cubs learn the stern prohibition
Never, never to cross the red flags!

They're hunting wolves! The hunt is on, pursuing
The wily predators, the she-wolf and her brood.
The beaters shout, the dogs bay, almost spewing.
The flags on the snow are red, as red as the blood.

We are swift and our jaws are rapacious.
Why then, chief, like a tribe that's oppressed,
Must we rush towards the weapons that face us
And that precept be never transgressed?
For a wolf cannot change the old story
The end looms and my time's, almost done.
Now the huntsman who's made me his quarry
Gives a smile as he raises his gun.

They're hunting wolves! The hunt is on, pursuing
The wily predators, the she-wolf and her brood.
The beaters shout, the dogs bay, almost spewing.
The flags on the snow are red, as red as the blood.

But revolt and the life-force are stronger
Than the fear that the red flags instil
From behind come dismayed cries of anger
As I cheat them, with joy, of their kill.
In my flight, sinews bursting I hurtle,
But the outcome is different today!
I was cornered! They trapped me encircled!
But the huntsmen were foiled of their prey!

They're hunting wolves! The hunt is on, pursuing
The wily predators, the she-wolf and her brood.
The beaters shout, the dogs bay, almost spewing.
The flags on the snow are red, as red as the blood.
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YankeyMCC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 09:09 PM
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4. Thank you for that nt
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 08:40 PM
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2. "... kill all but 100 of the state's gray wolves ..."
Edited on Thu Jan-11-07 08:41 PM by madeline_con
First of all, this is sick.

A bunch of yahoos from the city want to come in, kill the biggest and the best the herd has to offer, so they can nail their heads to the wall.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't wolves be more likely to cull the weak and older animals from the perimeters?

So, burning the elk candle at both ends... way to conserve wildlife!! :puke:
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YankeyMCC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 09:10 PM
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5. They better not touch My Wolf!
My son adopted one for me via Defenders of Wildlife.

You can learn more and take some action here: https://secure2.convio.net/dow/site/Advocacy?pagename=homepage&page=UserAction&id=609&s_einterest=C3C4&JServSessionIdr012=6mpgci8cd1.app25a

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Dean Martin Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 10:15 PM
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6. Let's get Cheney to train the group
...then they'll just go out and all shoot each other! That would be the best ending.
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 10:42 PM
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7. Oh shit. n/t.
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 05:06 AM
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8. Sounds pretty good if you add one condition ...
... no firearms allowed.

If you are talking about "hunting" then do it with a bow.
No trapping. No poisoning. No shooting.

Just go out there and be a "hunter" ... if you can!

I wouldn't even force people to use traditional bows - modern compound
bows with modern arrows would allow for a cleaner kill than expecting
everyone to shoot barebow - but I *would* insist on a signed disclaimer
so that no "retribution" would be taken in the event of a "hunter"
finding out the hard way that wolves should be left alone.

No handguns either ... just a knife for self-defence.

Mind you, the same rules should apply to all hunting (from rabbit to elk).
If you want to "get back to nature" then do it properly!
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 09:13 AM
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9. Bows and arrows and long pointy sticks
That's all the technology human beings need to devastate the large fauna of any region they inhabit. The only thing that makes bow hunting an acceptable practice is that so few do it. Imagine a quarter of the North American population turned loose to hunt food with bows and arrows - the loss of some romantic grey wolves would be the least of our worries. So much for noble savages.

My parents let a bowhunter use their property every year. He usually takes two whitetails a season, which as I understand it is only a few weeks long.

I'm agnostic on the question of the wolf hunt. It's probably not a great idea, but I'm much more concerned about some of the other things mankind is doing to the biosphere, that have much larger impacts. I'm not much moved by the cute/cuddly/romantic arguments often raised in these disputes. In the interests of full disclosure I also support the continuation of the Canadian seal hunt, so the cute/cuddly/romantic camp should feel free to put me on ignore :-)
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