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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 12:32 PM
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US intelligence credibility suffers blow
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4399009.stm
US intelligence credibility suffers blow
By Gordon Corera BBC security correspondent

The Robb-Silberman commission may have been set up in the wake of the intelligence failure over Iraq and its missing weapons of mass destruction, but its conclusions are of more than historic value.

The panellists have more than 70 recommendations for Negroponte
They throw the debate forward to the question of whether or not the US has the right intelligence capabilities to detect and deal with both current and future threats from weapons of mass destruction (WMD).

And the commission's conclusion is largely in the negative.

As the commission makes clear, US credibility was put on the line over the existence of an Iraqi WMD programme - and as a result of nothing being found, it has been severely undermined.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4396457.stm
Bush pledge over US intelligence
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4396457.stm#
The CIA's problems have been highlighted in a number of reports
President George W Bush has welcomed a study that says US intelligence agencies know "disturbingly little" about enemy weapons programmes.
Describing the report as "extremely significant", he said US intelligence needed "fundamental change" to face the threats of the 21st Century.

The study makes recommendations for new director of US intelligence John Negroponte, who heads 15 spy agencies.

The study in particular criticises US collection of intelligence in Iraq.

The report says dramatic changes are needed to prevent failures similar to the fiasco over Iraq's missing weapons, including the creation of a a national counter-proliferation centre to combat the spread of weapons of mass destruction.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/31_03_05_uswmd.pdf
Intelligence report in full (3.3 MB)


9/11 INQUIRY COMMISSION'S FINAL REPORT
Secret Pentagon spies confirmed
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4202837.stm
Bush CIA nominee 'too partisan'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3656580.stm
9/11 inquiry blames US 'failure'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3916885.stm
Key findings of the report
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3917703.stm
Reactions to 9/11 report
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3917953.stm
Hijackers seen passing checks
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3916159.stm


ANALYSIS: Political impact

Democrats and Republicans may still seek to use 9/11 report for political gain
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3918943.stm
gent attacks 'intelligence failings'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3926033.stm
New mentality for new war
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3918685.stm
Long haul for US spy reform
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3920403.stm
Q&A: Key issues
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3916175.stm
Timeline: The 9/11 inquiry
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3916565.stm

COMMISSION TRANSCRIPTS
Commission report in full (7.4MB)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/22_07_04911Report.pdf
Executive summary (5.9MB)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/22_07_04911execsum.pdf

Critical intelligence
How the US and UK's handling of agency failings diverge
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4398807.stm

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lenidog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 12:38 PM
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1. It wouldn't be the first time it happened and it wont be the last
The CIA never saw the Berlin Wall come down or more recently was taken by suprise when Pakistan dentonated its nuclear weapn during a test. The biggest problem is that during the Cold War the CIA and others like the NSA got used to using all the high tech toys like sattelites and has left behind human intelligence sources. It the job they are supposed to do now they need the opposite because that is the most effective way to track these items.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 12:52 PM
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3. Hi-tech gadgets vs feet on the ground Intel gathering
It is the corporations again. While feet on the ground brings in the sort of info which makes it easier to keep track of terrorist groups, the corporations do not make $$ from that method. Payroll to real people vs $$ to corporations for hardware. Harder to pad a payroll account, harder for CEOs to steal $$ from the US Treasury while pretending to be America loving/defending patriots.

Feet on the ground works best, but the military industrial complex does not profit from what works best. The bottom line IS the bottom line, even for the important business of intelligence for national security. The good ol boys in the boardrooms bought themselves flag wrapped whores who have sold out REAL DEFENSE for the profit of Defense.

Question is, how long will the real American loving, duty serving spooks put up with it? When do they realize they have to move to expose the brass if they are really gonna protect America?

I have been wondering how MATCOM's dad is feeling since this report came out, blaming the spooks for problems that were created by others.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 12:55 PM
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4. The CIA was bypassed by Ike in the funding and control of the PAK Nuke
Under Sec Olmstead told me that he moved $20 B to PAK (I think he meant he started the movement of funds via the fake accounts that our Federal Budget has had in the official budget at least since the 1950's)

That PAK bomb was bought and paid for by the GOP .

And the CIA was Olmstead's greatest fear in the years before his death - as he was sure that they would find out and expose him.

Indeed if I wanted to hire someone, I was told that any hint of CIA background would kill the ability to hire.

I do not fault the CIA for not "knowing" about the PAK bomb. They officially were not supposed to know.

At least that was what I was told by IKE's Under Sec of Commerce Olmstead in his tales of the "Atoms for Peace" program.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 12:45 PM
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2. What U.S. Intelligence? We've all been left behind unless
we donate to the Republican party, say "Yes, Sir", "No Sir", or
agree to send all our money and all our kids into a war without end.

The CIA, as its presented to the public, has been a frickin' joke for decades.
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