CIA vs. The US Army

(copied from my email)

I just listened to an interview with Stephen Kinzer on the radio. He has done research on the Coup de etat in Iran in 1953 by the CIA. He uses, of all things, the CIA's own documents, 80% uncensored that are now available due to the Freedom of information Act.

The bottom line is this. If the claims by the CIA itself are true in their own documentation, then the CIA has overthrown MORE legally and fairly, democratically elected governments in the last 50 years than the USA Army has toppled of dictatorships.

Quite a record actually, including Iran, Chile, Guatemala, and a few others. But also including some failed attempts in Cuba and one other which I forgot though he mentioned it on the radio. The point that Kinzer makes is that the stunning success in Iran was so impressive in Washington D.C., that it became the template for all the Coup de etats that the CIA has conducted since.

My point, on the other hand is that I despise negative talk about the United Nations and World court. Obviously, the USA can't police its own. I think that the CIA should be held accountable for crimes against humanity and crimes against the United States in that they seem to target democracies and favor dictatorships when they install new governments.

the cia and the us govt are the biggest foes to democracy on the face of the earth

check out chomsky's _understanding power_ , and _what uncle sam really wants_
or zapezauer's _cia's greatest hits_
or http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/

it's mind boggling, breath taking, sickening stuff

thank god for the freedom of information act (which * has basically scuttled for the time being)

!!!

Its all about making the world "safe" for capitalists.

*"National interest" is a euphemism for private interests.
*The US military is the enforcer of corporations.
*It's easier to do business with a dictator than a democracy. You can payoff dictators and they will oppress their own as long as the booty comes back to corporate American pockets, if that arrangement is threatened, they are targets for "revolution" by way of "bringing them democracy" in the form of an invading army or special operations unit.
*A successful example of an alternate way (i.e. other than capitalism)must not be allowed to florish. This is fought using economic embargoes (Cuba), covert terror ops (Latin America), subversion of potential democratic institutions (i.e.press)(Iran), propaganda and outright military invasion (Panama, Granada, Iraq)

I've read before that you are in the navy? I was in 1981-1986 on a carrier no longer in service. OS 2.

But I prefer tin cans to bird farms.
Joined in 1984, out in 2004.

Lasalle - commideastfor
Caron (Spruance)
Forrestal

USS LaSalle (AGF-3) from Sep 84- Sep 85
USS New Orleans (LPH-11)
USS Harry W. Hill (DD-986)
USS Waddell (DDG-24)
RTC San Diego
USS Elliot (DD-967)
USS Copeland (FFG-25)
USS Denver (LPD-9)
USNS Mercy (AH-19) and Naval Hospital San Diego (Balboa)
and the ship I'm on nowl, which I won't tell for privacy reasons.

she was in the yards in Philly undergoing overhaul when I went aboard, went through various underway training, then over to Bahrain to relieve the Coronado in June of '83.

Was in the Gulf with other ships steaming in circles monitoring the Iran-Iraq War, which reminds me of something....

I worked in the Combat Information Center (when I got out in '86 the navy was in the process of changing the name of this space to Combat Direction Center, big deal). I remember that there was an Air Force AWACS bird flying out of Riyhad all the time "monitoring" the air war between Iran and Iraq.

I have no proof, but I wouldn't doubt it if they were directing Iraqi planes to intercepts with Iranian jets. Remember, Iran was the "bad guy" then and Saddam was our hero for fighting the Iranians.

Check out a new book titled "All the Shah's Men" by Steven Kinzer. It should be out at either your local B&N or Borders Books. Damning expose of US secret ops to overthrow democratically elected president of Iran - Mosedeq (sic?) because he dared think that the oil under their sand somehow belonged to the Iranian people. Enter the Shah, stage right.

You and I did the Gulf before it was popular.

Still called the CIC (Combat Information Center). CDC never caught on.

(sarcasm on)
We had to overthrow the government of Iran and re-instate the Shah, because when we threatened them to get/keep control of thier oil fields, they started talking to the Russians. Therefore, they were a bunch of communists!
And I'm my own Grandpa!
(sarcasm off)