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Liberal Classic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 03:54 PM
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Zimbabwe stocks up on jets, arms (Wash Times)
http://www.washtimes.com/world/20040615-121213-9266r.htm

Zimbabwe stocks up on jets, arms

By Tom Carter
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

The government of Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe has ordered more than $240 million worth of jet fighters and other military equipment from China, renewing concerns of a sub-Saharan arms race in a region with no external threats.

...

The order was for 12 fighter jets and 100 military vehicles, according to the British Broadcasting Corp.

...

Zimbabwe is experiencing a food crisis, and the World Food Program is feeding more than 600,000 Zimbabweans. Zimbabwe's government says the country is experiencing a "bumper crop."
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jayavarman Donating Member (319 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 04:00 PM
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1. Typical Dictator Crap
.
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Liberal Classic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 04:07 PM
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3. Careful there
You might be accused of obstructionism to Mugabe's glorious land reforms.

Here is another source:

http://iafrica.com/news/worldnews/328857.htm


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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 04:52 PM
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11. The land of Zimbabwe
belongs to the people of Zimbabwe.

And this is seen to be a very radical idea
by some of the people
of nations such as Britain
who appear to believe that the entire planet belongs to them to subjugate as they wish.

Tell me,
how did those white farmers obtain "ownership" of that land in the first place
and how many THOUSANDS have they slain in the most horrible fashion,
so as to clear it of humanity
so that they may grow their stupid cash crops on it?

Theron's testimony and confession was a critical part of the trial of South Africa's Wouter Basson for alleged human rights abuses. Dr. Basson was implicated not only in supplying the drugs used to kill anti-apartheid political prisoners, but also in administering them himself. In October 1999, Chris Pessarra, a retired French Foreign Legionnaire claimed he witnessed Basson injecting political prisoners with poison in their stomach during a flight over Mozambique territory. He said that these men were then thrown alive from an airplane in 1979. The victims were five guerrilla rebels believed to have been from the Zimbabwe African National Liberation Army.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/mass/south_africa/index.html?sect=8

BEHOLD
the bastards you are defending.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/mass/south_africa/index.html?sect=8
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Liberal Classic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 07:29 PM
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12. I think I just tipped a sacred cow
Moo.

It's more likely that the land of Zimbabwe now belongs to Mugabe.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 04:06 PM
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2. Maybe Mugabe is Anticipating an External Threat from the UK or US
As much as I disagree with some of what he's doing, this is not a silly idea. I really wish this money would not be wasted, though. If Zimbabwe attacked any of its neighbors, it would become an instant pariah within Africa.
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corriger Donating Member (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 04:09 PM
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4. what do you mean? Mugabe is already a pariah of the worst sort
Edited on Tue Jun-15-04 04:11 PM by corriger
Do you really know much of what is occurring now in Zimbabwe for three or four years? Perhaps Pariah of the regional dictators club but frankly he is not very popular with many people at all and is quite the animal.

(SP)
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 04:14 PM
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6. I Mean He Has Normal Relations with Other African Nations
as far as I know. Civil wars, corruption, and suppression of liberties is AOK with the rest of the continent. The one supreme no-no among African states is attacking your neighbors.

That rule was suspended once, and once only, when one of the most beloved leaders (Nyrere of Tanazania) went after one of the most despised (Amin of Uganda).
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corriger Donating Member (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 04:21 PM
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9. ah so. I never knew to this to be some 'supreme' rule of statecraft
in Africa. Frankly I am quite surprised that they even have the hard currency to do this!
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 04:37 PM
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10. And the Tanzanian soldiers who invaded Uganda
WERE ACTUALLY WELCOMED
with flowers and kisses and gifts
because everyone had had it with Idi Amin.

In October 1978, with between 100,000 and 500,000 dead at the hands of his regime, and no other nation maintaining diplomatic ties with his country, Amin ordered the invasion of Tanzania, at the same time attempting to cover up an army mutiny. With help of Libyan troops, Amin tried to annex Kagera, the northern province of Tanzania. By April 1979 Tanzania, under president Julius Nyerere, had driven out Amin, taking the Ugandan capital Kampala with the help of Ugandan guerrillas, and subsequently restoring Obote.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idi_Amin

Nowadays the African union has outlawed coups d'etat
and reserves the right to remove any and all governments so installed.
Could get interesting.
Did you ever have a good look as to which western countries instigated and supported the coup d'etat by which Idi Amin came to power?

(The article contains one major error in stating that Amin was ELECTED president of the OAU. The OAU has an annually rotating presidency and that position was to be filled by the head of state of Uganda in 1975, which was, at that time, a position occupied by Idi Amin.)
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 04:21 PM
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8. And Mandela is a jailbird
just like almost all the fist presidents of most African nations.

On ABC's ``This Week,'' Cheney defended his 1986 vote against a resolution that called for U.S. recognition of the African National Congress in South Africa, freedom for the organization's then-imprisoned leader Nelson Mandela and negotiations with the black majority.
``The ANC was then viewed as a terrorist organization,'' Cheney said Sunday. ``It was a step that we simply weren't prepared to take.''
http://www.issues2000.org/askme/mandela.htm

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Liberal Classic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 04:12 PM
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5. I certianly didn't mean to imply this was silly
http://www.newzimbabwe.com/pages/f7.11959.html

Zimbabwe has one of the most formidable defence forces in Africa, whose highlight after the country’s independence include assisting the Mozambican government subdue the former rebel Renamo in the 1980s and repelling invasion forces who were threatening to overrun the DRC capital, Kinshasa in 1998.

The Air Force of Zimbabwe has two bases in Manyame (near Harare) and Thornhill (Gweru) with personnel estimated at about 5 000 in 1999. Currently, the Air Force has the Chengdu F-7 fighter jet, British-made Hawker Hunters and recently demonstrated newly-acquired Russian-made MiG-23 jets and Mi-35 helicopter gunships, armed for attacking targets on the ground, especially with automatic gunfire, but often also with rockets and/or missiles.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 04:17 PM
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7. Sorry, the Word "Silly" Was Not Directed at You
Edited on Tue Jun-15-04 04:18 PM by ribofunk
The article creates the impression that there is no external threat to justify a military buildup. I'm just pointing out that given Iraq and the hostile rhetoric in London and Washington, Mugabe might legitimately think he might be attacked.

Not that I'm a fan of Mugabe -- just trying to read the news through a different lens.
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