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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 04:02 PM
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Close gun-show loophole
Editorial from The Salt Lake Tribune - Wayne

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Close gun-show loophole

Criminals should not be able to walk into a gun show and buy firearms. But they do.

The federal Brady law requires a background check of gun purchasers, but there is a hole in the law that Congress annually refuses to patch. The law requires federally licensed gun dealers to check the backgrounds of would-be buyers, but the law does not apply the same requirement to unlicensed sellers. This loophole is particularly worrisome at gun shows, where investigations by the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms have reported that criminals are able to buy guns.

Despite congressional paralysis, the Utah Legislature could close the gun-show gap with a state law. But it, too, has failed repeatedly to act. Bills drafted by former Rep. Dave Jones and by Rep. Scott Daniels, both Salt Lake City Democrats, never have gotten far in the Republican-controlled Legislature. Daniels' 2003 bill did not survive the black hole of the Rules Committee.

This is no surprise in a legislative body that this year gave people with permits to carry concealed weapons an explicit invitation to bring guns into schools. Senseless, but not surprising.

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http://www.sltrib.com/2003/Sep/09242003/opinion/95203.asp
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el_gato Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 04:05 PM
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1. Giving the government more power
especially this government is insane!

freedom comes with risk, i can live with that.



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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 04:07 PM
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2. The question I've never seen adequately answered is...
How the bills would define "gun show".
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 04:30 PM
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4. Gee, slack....
are you REALLY thinking that is a problem?
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 06:08 PM
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6. Yes, it defines the scope of the proposed law in a big way
Edited on Wed Sep-24-03 06:10 PM by slackmaster
If two guys take a break from a poker game in a private home and one sells a gun to the other without a background check, does that qualify as the "gun show loophole" or is it just a private transfer of personal property?

Where is the line to be drawn?

Is an individual holding a garage sale who also happens to have two old guns to sell conducting a gun show? Or five guns? How about a church rummage sale with four people who happen to have personal guns they want to get rid of? Or a military person who has to get rid of three of his rifles because he's getting transferred to California where they are considered assault weapons and cannot be imported?
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 07:56 AM
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7. A church rummage sale?
Surrrrrrre......
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 12:08 PM
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8. Illogical, fallacious response
Appeal to Ridicule is always easier than making an effort to deal with a question you are not prepared to answer.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-ridicule.html

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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 01:51 PM
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9. Posting nonsense about church rummage sales
shows what a pantload the RKBA position is.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 04:28 PM
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3. Patriot Act?
Why is it that we all oppose giving the government more power when it comes to the Patriot Act because we fear that power will be abused--and rightfully so--but when it comes to guns some people here seem to think that this Administration can be trusted with ever more power and ever larger databases of names.
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 04:30 PM
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5. Uh.....
...but when it comes to guns some people here seem to think that this Administration can be trusted with ever more power and ever larger databases of names.

I think there's a little bit of a difference between the Utah Sstate Legislature (the subject of this editorial) and the Bush Misadministration.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 02:05 PM
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10. "'Gun show or event' does not include a person selling firearms
Edited on Thu Sep-25-03 02:46 PM by jody
from the person's own residence."

See H.B 190 "GUN SHOW BACKGROUND CHECK"
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LastDemInIdaho Donating Member (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 06:39 PM
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11. There is no loophole
The opinion of an anti-RKBA hack does not make it true.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 06:57 PM
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12. "Utah Democrats support the right of citizens to possess firearms for
lawfully defending their families and property and for sporting purposes. We also support common sense measures to reduce gun violence and enhance public safety, enforcement of gun laws, and education on the safe use and storage of firearms." Source: 2002 PLATFORM OF THE UTAH STATE DEMOCRATIC PARTY
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