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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:46 AM
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San Diego DA clarifies position on DC gun ban case now before Supreme Court
DA responds on handgun ban

Regarding “District attorney wants D.C. handgun ban upheld” (Around Our Region, Jan. 14):

The story reported that “District Attorney Bonnie Dumanis announced Friday she is urging the U.S. Supreme Court to uphold a ban on handguns in Washington, D.C.” That report was misleading. I joined with 17 other DAs across the country in urging the high court to uphold the existing laws against the illegal use and possession of guns in that jurisdiction. Many jurisdictions, including our own, prohibit a convicted felon from owning a gun. For the record, the issue here is public safety. In joining with the other DAs from across the nation, I am trying to ensure that law enforcement can continue to do its job. This is not a challenge to the Second Amendment, of which I am a strong supporter.

BONNIE M. DUMANIS
District Attorney
San Diego


http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20080119/news_lz1e19letters.html

I say :toast:

Gotta love a DA like that. She's been doing a pretty good job prosecuting criminals, too.
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Tejas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:14 PM
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1. 17 DAs with a moot point
"I joined with 17 other DAs across the country in urging the high court to uphold the existing laws against the illegal use and possession of guns in that jurisdiction."




What am I missing here? Not trying to kill the messenger but what did this accomplish?
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:39 PM
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2. Consider “uphold the existing laws” “Second Amendment, of which I am a strong supporter” n/t
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Tejas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:46 PM
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3. Guess I see it as
17 DAs simply stating they intend to enforce current laws. Don't see any "news" in that, unless they haven't been doing so in the past.

The upside could be that at least 17 DAs mentioned the 2nd in a positive light. Sure beats what the DA in Harris County, TX has done for the past years.

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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:21 PM
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4. Understand, for other "Amicus briefs for D.C. available in guns case" see
http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/uncategorized/amicus-briefs-for-dc-available-in-guns-case/

For some reason the link may produce an error the first attempt but connects after the second attempt. :shrug:
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 02:37 PM
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5. This is something of a head-scratcher. Why bother...
going to D.C. when you favor laws which prevent "...illegal use and possession of guns..."? Does she really think the Supremes will vacate all D.C. laws and begin passing out guns? In fact MOST, not "many," jurisdictions prohibit a convicted felon from owning a gun. And she is also for "public safety." Wow.

I don't get what she's driving at. Maybe it's Gun Control Lite whereby D.C. will "provide" for its citizens the opportunity to own a single-shot shotgun, in 2 pieces, in 2 rooms and with skeet loads only. Puzzling.

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pipoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 09:24 AM
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6. After reading only the summary of the brief
found at the link that Jody posted above I am calling bullshit on Bonnie Dumanis. If what she is saying in this 5 sentence paragraph is true then her signing onto the brief is only a self serving attempt to save her the trouble of revisiting her jurisdiction's 2nd Amendment violating ordinances. If she really doesn't challenge the right of individuals she shouldn't have been signing a brief which states the contrary. Knowing nothing more about her than I read in her letter above and the contents of the brief which she says (through her signature affirmation) that she believes the 2nd is to allow firearms to militias and not to individuals in no uncertain terms. If she really believes what she is saying in the letter to the editor she would have to withdraw her support for the brief...I don't see her doing that.

http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/07-290_amicus_district_attorneys.pdf
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 02:54 PM
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7. AMICI CURIAE BRIEF says Dumanis believes 2nd only for militia.
Edited on Mon Jan-21-08 02:56 PM by jody
AMICI CURIAE BRIEF OF DISTRICT ATTORNEYS IN SUPPORT OF PETITIONERS

SUMMARY OF ARGUMENT (page 5 of brief or page 17 of pdf file)

The District Attorneys respectfully submit that the three D.C. Code provisions at issue in this appeal do not violate the Second Amendment, thus necessitating a reversal of the lower court’s decision. The District Attorneys do not focus on the reasons for the reversal, however, leaving these arguments to petitioners and other amici. Instead, the District Attorneys urge the court to consider the potentially negative, unintended, and wholly unnecessary consequences of an affirming opinion. In short, an affirmance could inadvertently call into question the well settled Second Amendment principles under which countless state and local criminal firearms laws have been upheld by courts nationwide.

For nearly seventy years, courts have consistently sustained criminal firearms laws against Second Amendment challenges by holding that, inter alia, (i) the Second Amendment provides only a militia-related right to bear arms, (ii) the Second Amendment does not apply to legislation passed by state or local governments, and (iii) the restrictions bear a reasonable relationship to protecting public safety and thus do not violate a personal constitutional right. The lower court’s decision, however, creates a broad private right to possess any firearm that is a “lineal descendant” of a founding era weapon and that is in “common use” with a “military application” today. under this vague standard, a vast range of criminal laws nationwide, including laws where possession of a firearm is an element of an offense, could be subject to a new round of constitutional challenges. As detailed below, regardless of their outcome, these challenges could create substantial uncertainty in the lower courts and strain the already slim resources of the courts and the criminal justice system. Significantly, while the courts struggle to determine the scope and application of the Second Amendment, prosecutors could be hindered in their ability to enforce criminal laws they have long understood to be valid and compromised in their continuing efforts to combat gun violence in their communities.

Indeed, Second Amendment challenges to criminal laws have already begun. A felon convicted of criminal firearm possession recently challenged a New York gun possession statute based on the D.C. circuit’s opinion below, saying he wanted to see “how far (he) could ride this pony.” If upheld, such challenges could decriminalize a breathtakingly broad range of dangerous conduct. These future constitutional challenges can and should be avoided either through this court’s reversal of the decision below or through a narrow opinion that removes any confusion as to its scope, which should be limited to the discrete question presented. In addition to minimizing unnecessary constitutional attacks, a narrow opinion will allow prosecutors to continue enforcing violent crime laws without any uncertainty about their validity.

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