Campaign to close the newspaper loophole.

zanne

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Wed Jan-23-08 01:21 PM
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Campaign to close the newspaper loophole.

These newspapers have refused to place ads by sellers of guns in their newspapers. The newspaper loophole is the rule that private citizens can sell their guns without a background check. This opens the field for domestic abusers, criminals and mentally ill people.to acquire guns.
http://www.gunloophole.com/states.htm

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Recursion

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Wed Jan-23-08 01:25 PM
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1. Now you're getting it

The thing has nothing to do with gun shows. Nothing at all.

You, like many of us on the anti-prohibition side, want private citizens to be able to use the Federal background check system when they sell a gun.

Why not stop calling us names and start working with us to make that happen?

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zanne

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Wed Jan-23-08 02:07 PM
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4. This is just ANOTHER loophole.

There does REMAIN A GUNSHOW LOOPHOLE. THE NRA won't tell you that, of course.

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krispos42

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Wed Jan-23-08 03:08 PM
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5. The "newspaper loophole" and the "gun show loophole" are the same thing

Namely, private, occasional sales of merchandise are not subject to the same level of regulation that a business is subject to.

There is also the "yard sale loophole", the "kitchen-table loophole", the "behind McDonald's loophole", and the "side of a highway ditch loophole".

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slackmaster

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Wed Jan-23-08 03:56 PM
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7. Don't forget the infamous Church Parking Lot Loophole

:scared:

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gorfle

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Wed Jan-23-08 04:52 PM
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9. hahahahahahaha

Way to go, Krispos42!

That's it, Zanne!

You better go after all those different loopholes!

Garage sale loophole
Kitchen Table Loophole
Birthday Present Loophole
Christmas Present Loophole
Hunting Lodge Loophole
Shooting Range Loophole
At Work Loophole

Man, that's a lot of loopholes!

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pipoman

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Wed Jan-23-08 05:40 PM
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11. My favorite is the Fraternal Order of Police meeting loophole n/t

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Tejas

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Thu Jan-24-08 12:10 AM
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15. or the Raffle loophole ($5 chance on a bullet hose!) n/t

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jmg257

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Thu Jan-24-08 08:18 AM
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21. Sold an M1 Carbine to a guy in a Ralph's parking lot once - is that "the food store" loophole??

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jmg257

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Thu Jan-24-08 08:22 AM
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22. My favorite: "What guns, officer? I sold them all"...the "avoid confiscation & tyranny loophole".

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SteveM

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Fri Jan-25-08 06:38 PM
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28. "Pot? On me, officer? Sorry, I ran out" loophole.

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jmg257

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Wed Jan-23-08 03:40 PM
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6. Sheesh - you still DON'T get it...there is NO "loophole". Either private sales are

Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 03:41 PM by jmg257

legal, or they are not. In general, selling a gun IS NOT illegal. Selling a gun to a known felon is, as is buying a gun if you are a known felon. NO "loophole", just "the law". No ONE needs the NRA to tell them that - EXCEPT YOU!!

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Recursion

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Wed Jan-23-08 04:50 PM
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8. No, put up or shut up

Seriously, be adult here. If you think there's a legal difference between selling a gun at a gun show and selling it through a classified ad in the newspaper, explain what you think the difference is.

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gorfle

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Wed Jan-23-08 04:54 PM
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10. Zane, they are all the same.

Zanne, the "loopholes" you are describing are all the same thing.

Private sales of firearms and not subject to NICS. This is true whether it is at a gun show or a newspaper ad. They are not different loopholes - they are all a consequence of the same thing.

Basically you want private sales to require the permission of the government before proceeding. Why don't you just say so?

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spin

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Wed Jan-23-08 01:38 PM
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2. Before I sell a gun to an individual

I don't personally know, I ask to see his concealed carry permit. Not quite as good as an instant background check, but I do know he has been checked out in the recent past. If he has a permit, the chances of his being a bad guy are slim to none.

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benEzra

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Wed Jan-23-08 02:02 PM
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3. Me too... (n/t)

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Tejas

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Thu Jan-24-08 12:07 AM
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14. That individual

can also request to see your ID. Now that he knows you're into firearms, he will now also know where you live.

I'm just sayin......

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Recursion

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Thu Jan-24-08 12:24 AM
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17. If an EE can speak here for a second...

... what you're addressing is basic crypto / trust calculus (a subject too few... far too few... people study).

The seller, ultimately, has the trust initiative and sets the parameters of information sharing. If you don't trust someone with your authenticated identity, you do not have to sell him a gun (and probably shouldn't).

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spin

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Thu Jan-24-08 01:21 AM
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18. If he asks for my ID...

the deal is off. I'm not really that eager to sell my weapons, so I don't take chances.

I also usually offer the buyer the chance to meet me at a gun range to be sure that he is satisfied with how the gun functions and that it fits his or her needs. If they do, it gives me a chance to discuss firearms with them and help to overcome any misconceptions they might of picked up from watching too many movies. It's also an opportunity to introduce a new shooter to the pleasurable hobby of shooting.

It's important to me that my weapons find a good home with a responsible individual when they leave my hands.

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east texas lib

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Wed Jan-23-08 09:44 PM
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12. Gee...

I guess you'd really freak out if you ever read a copy of "Shotgun News".

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gorfle

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Wed Jan-23-08 09:47 PM
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13. Or...

or went to gunbroker.com, or gunsamerica.com.

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virginia mountainman

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Thu Jan-24-08 01:29 AM
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19. O NOOO! The Internet "loophole"

Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 01:34 AM by virginia mountainman

Nope, it don't matter that it goes thru an FFL....

LOL, the Anti's when they are getting the asses kicked, sure does, do and say stupid things.

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Tejas

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Thu Jan-24-08 12:13 AM
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16. worst loopHOLE is where the antis lies come from, they pull them out've their...... n/t

Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 12:14 AM by Tejas

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jmg257

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Thu Jan-24-08 07:27 AM
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20. Good bumper sticker: "Keep & Bear Arms - Its a Right, Not a loophole" nt

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jody

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Thu Jan-24-08 09:06 AM
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23. Excellent.

:thumbsup: :toast:

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jmg257

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Thu Jan-24-08 10:17 AM
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24. Posters too!...

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jmg257

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Thu Jan-24-08 10:17 AM
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25. DP NT

Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 10:18 AM by jmg257

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SteveM

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Thu Jan-24-08 08:17 PM
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27. I like that one. How 'bout: "Gun-Free Zones Aren't"? (nt)

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Tejas

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Thu Jan-24-08 05:57 PM
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26. I think they should close the

newspaper *oophole, because their so-called "facts" stink.

* <---- a few letters past "L" in the alphabet.

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