anyone know of an anti-gun forum?

It seems like none of the Brady type websites have a discussion forum.

I assume it's because many of their positions are to week to defend.

just curious.

The discussion under his articles is always pretty one-sided. Four posts in the pro-gun people typically find it and start taking antis to task. By 50 posts, all of the antis have fled.

They put up other people that write anti-gun crap too. Same result.

Last weekend Helmke and the student leader for concealed carry on campus were on TV, discussing the idea of concealed carry on campus.

My wife, who is just a casual and very occasional shooter, was watching it and said that Helmke must have said "drunken frat parties and guns" more than 5 times in the less than 3 minutes he was on the air.

She said that even after the student corrected him, and said, "that's not what we are talking about, it's only about allowing already licensed people to continue to carry ..." Helmke said it again. I guess somebody decided that that's the meme that will scare the majority of the people out there.

I live in WA state. we allow licensed people to carry on campus. heck, unlicensed people can carry in state (on campus or off) as long as they carry openly.

i have yet to see shooting incidents at "drunken frat parties".

It was one of the best sources of pro-gun information and counter-information out there! :) All courtesy of a prominent anti-gun group. It got too embarrassing for them so rather than have intelligent, reasoned discourse, they took their toys and went home in a huff.

blog has been taken over by pro gun....thats why they shut it down on the brady website

MSM seems to be the only effective anti-gun special interest group in the U.S. which entertains forums in their respective outlets.

I never looked. I encounter enough imbeciles in my daily travels, I don't need to go looking for them during my liesure time:)

they have this forum for pro-gun folks, du oughta have one for folks who favor gun control or are just outright anti-gun. then they oughta have another forum called "armageddon" where both sides could meet and just go all out! :D

It's here and in GD.

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Liberals like me know we shouldn't act in such a manner. It's unbecoming and hurtful to the Democratic Party.

Pot, meet kettle. And FYI, the gun forum isn't just for pro-gun posts. The rest of us out here actually get a say, too. I know you think that's preposterous, but we do live in a democracy.

Check out the post in the gun forum about how to win in a gun fight. Then tell me about "standards for hatred".

"How to win a gunfight" may be new and sound frightening to you but it's been around in one version or another in the military for at least 35 years that I can recall. Whether its bluntness offends you or not, for a military situation most of it is generally good advice, (with some tongue in cheek humor that only somebody that has been shot at for a living can appreciate), That is if you want to stay alive and make it home.

For me at least it falls in the same category as; "The 419 Things Skippy is no longer allowed to do in the Army" as a tried and true source of grins.

But then again, I'm just another gun crazy stockpiling ammo by the case and stroking my rifles here in the dark in my basement waiting for the coming apocalypse. (What sterotypes did I leave out?)

I got the number wrong, it's 213 not 419, I just remembered it was an odd number, but here's the web site and for a sample here are a few items ...

The web site: http://skippyslist.com/list/

The 213 Things….

1. Not allowed to watch Southpark when I’m supposed to be working.

2. My proper military title is “Specialist Schwarz” not “Princess Anastasia”.

3. Not allowed to threaten anyone with black magic.

4. Not allowed to challenge anyone’s disbelief of black magic by asking for their hair.

5. Not allowed to get silicone breast implants.

6. Not allowed to play “Pulp Fiction” with a suction-cup dart pistol and any officer.

7. Not allowed to add “In accordance with the prophecy” to the end of answers I give to a question an officer asks me.

But then again, I'm just another gun crazy stockpiling ammo by the case and stroking my rifles here in the dark in my basement waiting for the coming apocalypse.

Clinging to your bible, and you need to be a white supremacist that makes $300K+ a year.

I am sorry you do not understand that violence does not equal hatred and not all violence is bad. It must be difficult for you to live in the real world.

Personally, I'm glad when people legally defending themselves win the gunfights. It bothers me when innocent people are murdered.

David

And Helmke, a REPUBLICAN working for a REPUBLICAN organization, is trying to undermine that. Now we have to not call out REPUBLICANS on their BS?

You posting intolerant and bigoted things about gun owning DEMS is wrong, and undermines our party.

What if you had said "Heterosexuals aren't as psychotic as gay people"? Hmph. I don't like intolerance in any form. It undermines the Democratic Party.

"...but we do live in a democracy."


No actually we don't. We live in a Democratic Republic.


Thats neither here nor there however.

Whats a matter?

You think poor widdle helmke...er...poor widdle REPUBLICAN helmke is above criticism on this Democratic Party related website?

"The rest of us out here actually get a say"


Yes. All seven of you. Between "the rest of you" being anti-gun, and propping up helmke and the republicans at brady, "your say" is the reason we have a Democratic Pro gun congress right?

nt

Oops. Was doing here. Now we know.

Sadly, I think there are more anti-RKBA Dems than Rethugs in congressional roles.
Make no mistake though... some high ranking Repubs (as well as Dems) do spearhead Anti-gun movements.

Bwhaahahahahah

I know you think that's preposterous, but we do live in a democracy.

In point of fact, we (in the USA) live in a republic.

Our founders were specifically opposed to the mob rule of democracy.

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:shrug:

but a lower grade of human who must be controlled by a government ren by people exactly like me, so that everyone can be exactly like me.

I have been called a lot of insulting names on DU, but nothing so bitter or personally degrading as when I have posted pro gun information on this forum.

Antis have NOTHING real to offer, so they resort to lies and self righteous personal attacks on others, at least this has been my experience here.

mark

You went back AN ENTIRE YEAR to dredge up this pointless thread??

And I didn't notice ... because the dates were the same, just the year was different? Hit me.

I only noticed now because the "Feb-27" on one of the posts caught my eye, and I thought OHMYGOD, no no no, I just finished figuring out that the second pile of work in my inbox isn't due til FRIDAY and tomorrow (well, today, now) is only THURSDAY, so I still have a chance ... but if Thursday is the 27th, than I'm screwed!!!

You nearly caused me to commit hara kiri, and all so you could post this nasty little whine?


I have been called a lot of insulting names on DU, but nothing so bitter or personally degrading as when I have posted pro gun information on this forum.

Huh! You mean you've done things elsewhere at DU that are almost as obnoxious as posting all the crappy links to crappy right-wing crap you continually post here??

Well colour me surprised.

And they especially don't like the fact that they might be wrong.

It's been said a couple of times in this thread.

Wrong about what then?

1) the constitution. even pre-heller, some very liberal/left legal scholars come to the conclusion that the 1st clearly recognizes an individual right. larry tribe for instance does not LIKE concealed carry. but as a legal scholar, he says the constitution is what it is.

2) wrong about predictions. anti's are famous for claims that armageddon will ensue if concealed carry is passed. it didn't happen in florida. they make the same absurd arguments about guns on campus, ignoring states like WA where guns are allowed on campus - with no armageddon (YET!)

3) about civil rights. see: 1

1) the constitution. even pre-heller, some very liberal/left legal scholars come to the conclusion that the 1st clearly recognizes an individual right. larry tribe for instance does not LIKE concealed carry. but as a legal scholar, he says the constitution is what it is.

There is no "right" interpretation of a constitution. There are authoritative interpretations, by courts, and persuasive interpretations, by scholars and others.


2) wrong about predictions. anti's are famous for claims that armageddon will ensue if concealed carry is passed. it didn't happen in florida. they make the same absurd arguments about guns on campus, ignoring states like WA where guns are allowed on campus - with no armageddon (YET!)

Many people look at firearms violence facts in the US and think you are already living on the outskirts of Armageddon.

What difference does it make if these alleged predictions are wrong? Public policy is not dependent on proof of what will happen if it isn't adopted, to be permissible or advisable.


3) about civil rights. see: 1

See: 1, I guess.

"What difference does it make if these alleged predictions are wrong? Public policy is not dependent on proof of what will happen if it isn't adopted, to be permissible or advisable."

It does make a difference though. Their only argument was that people would start shooting eachother over parking spots, since that has not happened, and there are many many documented cases where CCW permit holders have save not only their own, but others. It makes a big difference.

Sounds a lot like global warming. Group A say's we'll fry/freeze if we don't change our ways, group B say's we won't. It's always easier to stick with the "tried and true" than it is to move on to something new.

It's simple. Firearm owners are bound together by a common cause and interest, and they actively work to protect their interests. We invest millions of dollars in lobbying to further our interests.

Anti-gun folks have no similar coalition.

It makes me smile.

http://meltguns.com/forum/index.php

The biggest board there has a grand total of 122 posts, most of which are things like "Get online now payday loan checkngo," "Watch best online porno videos!" and "best adult sex movies search engines." The majority of the legitimate posters are pro-gunners trolling the admin. Compare this with the hundreds of thousands of posts at AR15.com, thehighroad.org and other pro-gun discussion boards.

The meltguns.com main site is a fun read too, for gems like "Guns kill. In the countryside hunter kill their prey." and "The 2nd amendment only guarantees the right of regulated state militia, our current National Guard, to posses weapons."

That a segment of the population consists of obsessed proselytizing/paranoid gun militants ... and the rest of the population of normal folk have no need or desire to proselytize or wax paranoid on the internet?

Yup. I'd say that's it.

Ever noticed how many anti-choice websites there are as compared to pro-choice? Similar phenomenon.

The right wing's attempt to squat all over the public spaces of our world, including if not particularly the internet, is really quite a well-known fact.

One's demagoguery.

The other is fact.

Not hard to tell which is which.

Something to argue about there, is there?

I've been calling that spade the ugly spade it is since, like, forever. You just catching up or something?

long on bogeyman myths coupled with ad hominem attacks and short on facts.

who brings nothing whatsoever to the table except that kind of raving invective and




Anybody ever seen jody engage in dialogue here?

Didn't think so.