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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 04:23 PM
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Obama to re-institute Assault Weapon Ban?


http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2008/09/06/obama-on-guns-6/#comments

Say Uncle claims that Obama will support re-institution of the Assault Weapons Ban and measures to require child safety locks on firearms. The letters at this site are inflammatory, but they suggest that gun-control WILL be a crucial issue, especially in a close race. DU's Forums: Guns has been saying this for a long time, but unfortunately Obama and many other Democrats have rigidly refused to take measures to ameliorate Obama's mistaken stands (his comments in the e-mail indicate he doesn't even have a grasp of the role of so-called "assault weapons" with regards crime). And this will be a close race.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 04:29 PM
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1. Obama has repeatedly said gun control is a dead issue
I doubt its even in his top twenty list of issues to address. Lip service, no more than that.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 04:34 PM
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3. Obama doesn't have the authority to say "gun control is a dead issue" as long as he runs as a
Democratic candidate for a party whose platform promises to reinstate the AWB.
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 05:47 PM
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6. Yet, with his support of the AWB, he glances back at Sodom (nt)
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 04:33 PM
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2. Obama can either repudiate the Dem platform which promises to reinstate the AWB or be irreversibly
linked to the promise to ban AWB.
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one-eyed fat man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 04:54 PM
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4. His own website
http://obama.3cdn.net/84b2062fc4a5114715_ftxamv9ot.pdf

Note especially the part about "As a long-time resident and elected official of Chicago, Barack Obama has seen the impact of fully automatic weapons in the hands of criminals. Thus, Senator Obama supports making permanent the expired federal Assault Weapon Ban."

Read that again, "FULLY AUTOMATIC WEAPONS in the hands of criminals" are a problem he proposes to solve by banning guns that are not fully automatic and not in the hands of criminals.

No matter how you want to parse the 2008 platform, the gun plank is a direct lift from his stump speeches. He keeps saying, "He respects the 2nd Amendment," but sure is tough to square that with his voting record and his own website.

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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 05:05 PM
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5. Interesting. n/t
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Tejas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 07:22 PM
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8. Chicago under siege by thugs with machine guns???????
"As a long-time resident and elected official of Chicago, Barack Obama has seen the impact of fully automatic weapons in the hands of criminals."


really?

Seems one of the antis that post blotters here in the Gungeon would've surely informed us of this!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 07:43 PM
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 07:51 PM
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11. YA THINK, JODY?
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 07:52 PM by iverglas

Ya think these are two plausible explanations for what the Democratic Party's candidate for the office of President of the United States said?

The first is that he was using a psychotropic (presumably illegal) drug:
Perhaps Barack was using some hallucinogenic substance

The second is that he has a mental illness (a nonexistent mental illness, but whatever):
perhaps he has a phobia against firearms known as hoplophobia

Do you believe either of these hypotheses, or believe that they are possibly true?

You offer one other: he may just be grossly ignorant of firearms.

Do you believe that one, or believe that it is possibly true?

If so, why would you offer up the other two? In this forum?


If you don't want to answer, I'll understand. Perfectly.



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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:37 AM
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15. pretty interesting how nobody else was curious about this


Just another day, another post in the gun dungeon questioning Obama's / a Democrat's sanity, I guess.

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one-eyed fat man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:03 AM
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14. Maybe
..........he was watching WGN and caught the Walter Winchell lead in-story. Seems some fake cops driving a Peerless and a Cadillac were looking for Bugs Moran at the SMC Cartage Company on the Southside. Some Treasury agent that looked a lot like a young Robert Stack was hot on their trail, but the prime suspect was on vacation in Miami.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 07:46 PM
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10. how exactly does the Democratic candidate for president "repudiate the Dem platform"


and continue to be the Democratic candidate for president in any meaningful sense?

Is it okay if he repudiates just that one thing? How about if he repudiates 25% of the platform? 50%? 100%?

How about if people who don't like the Democratic Party's platform stop calling themselves Democrats?

That's what I'd suggest to people who call themselves New Democrats and kept demanding that the leader of the (my) New Democratic Party repudiate its platform, anyhow.
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Tejas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 06:33 AM
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12. Your slip is showing
Publicly exhibit much lack of confidence in Obama do you?
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 08:49 AM
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13. "Publicly exhibit much lack of confidence in Obama do you?"

Engage in deceitful demagoguery much do you?

Rhetorical question.

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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:38 AM
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16. "Publicly exhibit much lack of confidence in Obama do you?"


Why don't you ask jody?

You may have missed his post in this thread, but there's enough of it in my reply to get the drift.

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bossy22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:13 PM
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7. respond to the letter
send real facts, see what the response is
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tucsonlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 10:09 PM
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17. Who Gives a Shit?
Just read a comment by a guy who was going to vote for Obama until Biden was chosen as his running mate (due to Biden's support for the AWB). Now he plans to stay home on voting day.


REALITY CHECK, PEOPLE!!



The next President will get to appoint at least two new Supreme Court Justices. Big fans of Thomas and Scalia, are you? Then you're sure to just love McCain's nominees.
And all the privately-owned firearms in all the hands of all the patriotic defenders of the RKBA won't have the power to do diddly when the SCOTUS drives the final nails into the coffin of our already gravely ill Democracy.

And that, dear reader, is only one of the reasons why the RKBA should be near the BOTTOM on your list of critical issues in this election.



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pipoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 10:36 PM
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18. Yaba, yaba, yaba,
do.
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one-eyed fat man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 10:08 AM
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19. unless the "culture wars"
turn hot like they did in 1860.

That time around the "red states" had the people who were good with guns but the "blue states" had the factories that built them, draftees to tote them and the trains to move them.

Now the blues states have run most of their factories south that haven't gone off shore. Think Manual Labor is the guy who mows their lawn and military service is for hicks.

The "red states" still have the people with guns and who know how to use them.

I don't remember who said it, but the Founding Fathers gave us Freedom in boxes.

It comes "on the soapbox"; in the ballot box; in the jury box, and to oppose tyranny, the cartridge box.

I am unwilling to abrogate anything in the Bill of Rights, which, in case you have forgotten, was written to IMPOSE limits on the government.
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