if you outlaw high powered automatic weapons,

only Blackwater will have high powered automatic weapons.

If there is to be war...at least give your side a chance.

fight off an imperial gov't is really stupid. You coul;d have 5 AR15's and if tanks roll down your street, you're done! My FIL used to talk like that. "I've got my guns so I can fight them off from trying to take them from me!" Yea right! Some people will simply never look at reality.

I predict that if McCain wins this country will devolve into anarchy. Suit yourself, but I know that the unarmed person is the one listed as 'dead'.

insane! The idea was a fair one 100 years ago, but today...comeon. I've got a gun safe full of guns and amunition, but I'm smart enough to realize that even if everyone in my neighborhood had the same thing, we don't stand a chance against what our military has. It's a foolish argument. I have my guns because I like to target shoot and hunt. We've had many years when the deer we shot during hunting season provided food for us for mosre than half the year. To think you're keeping your guns for defence against the US gov't is stupid!

but that's what you are inferring. So, I'll reiterate ... do you know what an insurgency is?

http://www.amazon.com/Guerrilla-Warfare-Ernesto-Che-Guevara/dp/9562915719/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1225043233&sr=8-4

Among others...

I don't care for the ideological twist of it but he's sure a practical thinker about some stuff.

That said, I can only point to a place called "Iraq" for an example of how a lightly-equipped force has stymied the aims of a government (ours) from effecting imperial policy through a modern military equipped with tanks, planes, helicopters, heavy artillery, missiles, ships,.....

But mock up assault weapons - I have no use for them

and I am an avid hunter

Bans of this sort are what keep the gun-control issue simmering on the back burner, for the GOP to use in the future (like they have used it in the past). Frankly, after shooting a "mock up" AK-47, I must say the carbine fit like a glove, kicked very little, and would be VERY comfortable carrying while hunting. You will note that Cabela's is now offering the Remington R-25 in .243 WIN or .308 WIN, and other manufacturers are acting similarly with their own "mock ups." If I were 30 years-old and not 60, I would probably purchase one of these arms because they are accurate, much easier to carry and operate, and much more comfortable to shoot than the very nice Remington 700 Classic in .270 which I now use.

Try a "mock up." These weapons ARE the face of the new big-game rifle in the U.S.

There are many reasons the US uses a .223 round and sells others the AK.

"Assault weapons" are the most popular sporting rifles in the United States, if you remember that competitive and recreational target shooting are "sports" just as much as hunting is. Only 1 in 5 U.S. gun owners hunts.

Do you object to an AR because it looks a bit odd when compared to a nice wood and blue steel rifle? And just because you don't like them, do you think nobody else should own one?

It's an unpleasant topic because at it's heart, the AR is a fighting gun. I know folks who get uneasy when they are faced with the reality that fighting guns exist. You just can't get around that with the AR because it was always meant to be that even before Stoner put his pencil to paper. Just like the Garand, the '03 Springfield, the 1911, and countless others, they are purpose-built tools. And, unfortunately, so is the 2nd Amendment at it's heart a bit of language that reserves for the citizen the right to own such arms. It refers to militia, not hunting parties, and we all know what militias are organized to do. We should never forget how this great country came into existence. It's ours as citizens, not subjects, and we should protect all our rights, even those rights you don't personally think you need.

It's not about choice of firearm. It's about Constitutional Rights.

:shrug:

No More Corporate Cash for Militias
http://www.securitymanagement.com/article/no-more-corporate-cash-militias

Stand against more guns as a matter of principle.

It's a downward death spiral.

The number of guns in this country, both hunting and sporting ('assault weapons') has bee rising for the last 20 years, yet the overall crime rate and the violent crime rate is at 40 year lows...except, of coarse, in the areas which have the most restrictive gun laws...hmmmm

"It's a downward death spiral." :spray:

Gun Control is a downward tyranny spiral.

I'm prepping my 1895 Winchester and my 1899 Remington-Lee
for deer season- both were considered "Modern High Tech Military Weapons"
when they were new. Both fire the 30-40 Krag round; that was considered an
amazing, laser-accurate round back when most guns still used black powder.

My 1873 Remington Rolling Block was Remington's most successful
military rifle EVER...
And my 45-caliber flintlock RIFLE once struck fear into the hearts
of British troops armed with current-standard 69-caliber smoothbore muskets.

Folks who think my UZI and my AK-47 look out of place
with the rest of my collection are folks who just don't
know what they're looking at.

I keep an AR around. It's a handy little carbine but there are others that would be just as good for no more than I do with it.

The point is we are endowed with the Right to Keep and Bear Arms both in the defense of our Nation and our selves. As of today, the AR15 is still the best tool for the job.

Maybe you win, maybe you lose. My time in this Earthly tent is limited anyway so I don't worry too much about that aspect. The point is the people should never give up the option to resist tyranny with whatever means they have at their disposal. By the same token, in the highly unlikely event of a call to arms, you have to have the tools to respond.

Beyond that, look up the Battle of Blair Mountain some time and then tell me that kind of thing can't happen in America.

If you're thinking of "assault weapons," those are low-to-medium-powered, NON-automatic civilian firearms, not high-powered automatic weapons.

Possession of any automatic weapon outside of police/military duty without Federal authorization (BATFE Form 4) is a 10-year Federal felony under the Title 2/Class III provisions of the National Firearms Act of 1934.

ignorant about one of the divisive, polarizing political issues that continues to decide close elections in some house, senate, and presidential elections.

I must conclude those people are equally ignorant about other important issues and are poorly prepared to get in the face of voters and convince them to support a Democratic candidate.