"Johnson fired at the man still holding a gun to his wife's head"--The bad guys always win--part 2

A 91 year old gent chases off two youthful thugs:



Disclaimer: As always, anecdotes prove nothing. I find this one strangely heartwarming, though.

A tale from a strange universe in which masked men with guns wander into people's homes uninvited.

Heartwarming? Horror movie, I'd call it. If I hadn't seen the news report with my own eyes (first).

But I'm not surprised as you continue to be unable to determine who the good guys are in these sorts of situations.

While the entire situation is of course horrific, the part that was heartwarming is that both the husband and wife, aged 91 and 90 respectively, caused their would-be attackers to flee in spite of the fact that one of the attackers had a gun pointed at the woman's head.

In fact, is is doubly heartwarming. First because the good guys came out on top, and second because it puts a nice anecdotal nail in the coffin of Iverglas' argument that firearms aren't of any use when the bad guy has the drop on you.

And before you ask, no, I'm not going to go hunt down the discussion for you where you "didn't say that".

it puts a nice anecdotal nail in the coffin of Iverglas' argument that firearms aren't of any use when the bad guy has the drop on you.

I have just put the final nail in the coffin of your claim that the earth is flat and there are faeries at the bottom of the garden.

I'm sure you'll keep claiming those things as you have so often before, though.

Hope a local hospital reports a man with a non-fatal wound from a .38 slug in him.

Child killed in New Year's Eve gun accident
MSNBC - Jan 1, 2009
Responsible gun owners feel strongly that accidents such as Wednesday's should never happen. "There's no reason for an accident like this to happen,"

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Chandler boy’s shooting accident could result in charges
NewsOK.com, OK - Jan 5, 2009
The child receiving the gun must not be a juvenile delinquent or convicted of a crime. Since the accident, other officials have stepped forward to stress ...

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4-year-old shoots, wounds teen
United Press International - Jan 6, 2009
The boy has watched others shoot but wasn't taught how to handle a gun, the parent told the Dispatch. "It was an accident. He just thought it was another ...

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Cops: NJ Man Kills Wife With Pellet Gun
WCBS-TV New York, NY - Jan 5, 2009
Police are calling it a tragic accident. A New Jersey man has been charged with reckless manslaughter after accidentally shooting and killing his wife. ...

and on and on...

http://news.google.com.au/news?ned=us&hl=en&ned=us&q=gun+accident&ie=UTF-8&nolr=1&sa=N&start=0

Police: Shooter Acted In Self-Defense
MSNBC - December 31, 2008
OMAHA, Neb. - Police say D’vontae Hutchinson was trying to rob a man Sunday night when his intended victim got Hutchinson’s gun away and shot him.

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13-Year-Old Shot In North Nashville
Police Consider Possible Justifiable Homicide
MSNBC - Jan. 7, 2009
NASHVILLE, Tenn. - Detectives are investigating whether a fatal shooting late Tuesday night in north Nashville is a case of justifiable homicide.

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Oakland killing ruled self-defense
Oakland Tribune - Dec. 31, 2008
Killing ruled in self-defense: A 27-year-old man wounded in a Dec. 22 exchange of gunfire with a man police said he was trying to rob has died, authorities said Wednesday.

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No charges for Waukegan store clerk who shot robber
Daily Herald - Jan. 7, 2009
A Lake County grand jury said Wednesday no criminal charges should be brought against a Waukegan store clerk who shot and killed an armed robber.

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Two suspects shot in attempted jewelry robbery
National Jeweler - January 07, 2009
Phoenix--The owner of a Phoenix jewelry store shot and wounded two men during an attempted robbery at his store on Monday, the Arizona Republic reports.

and on and on...

http://news.google.com.au/news?ned=us&hl=en&ned=us&q=gun+self+defense&ie=UTF-8&nolr=1&sa=N&start=10

to be involved in a tragedy- through accidents, domestic violence, suicide (or through theft of their guns).

For most homes, a matter of rational risk assessment vs. paranoia.

Firearms have been in my family since at least 1904, and no one here has ever had an accident, domestic violence, or suicide.

I guess we're just bucking the odds.

Ah yes. Another one who can't see the difference between "advanced calculus" and "how to shoot".

You don't need advanced calculus, I think, to see the complete failure to grasp the concept in this one.

I say, charitably.

Was there a point here, or did your brain just decide to start talking about calculus?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=196168&mesg_id=196690

Firearms have been in my family since at least 1904, and no one here has ever had an accident, domestic violence, or suicide.
I guess we're just bucking the odds.

You were responding to the statement:

having a gun in the houshold makes its residents MUCH more likely to be involved in a tragedy- through accidents, domestic violence, suicide (or through theft of their guns).

That is NOT a statement that
the odds of residents of a household where a gun is present being involved in a tragedy
are higher than
the odds of residents of a household where a gun is present not being involved in a tragedy.

What you were responding to was the statement that was NOT made -- the odds of residents of a household where a gun is present being involved in a tragedy are higher than the odds of residents of a household where a gun is present not being involved in a tragedy -- NOT to the statement that WAS made.

I.e. ... if I may speak for the other poster, through force of circumstance here:

The OP said, "having a gun in the houshold makes its residents MUCH more likely to be involved in a tragedy- through accidents, domestic violence, suicide (or through theft of their guns)."

And I provided anecdotal evidence of my family surviving over 100 years with firearms without such tragedies.

Sad if you truly don't grasp a concept that simple, sad if you do but pretend not to.

I generally format it like this:

Souce: depakidsimagination@bradynonsense.com (dead link)

Of course there are other ways to document things, but a link (to a credible source, not Idiots Against Gunz, Hemenway, the VPC or the like) helps to add credibility.

http://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/index.ssf/2009/01/scio_township_woman_fights_off.html

Scio Township woman fights off armed intruder

A Scio Township woman fought off an armed intruder in the doorway of her home Monday evening, police said.

The 31-year-old woman was alone in the 200 block of Willow Tree Lane in Scio Farm Estates when she answered a knock at her door around 7:20 p.m., Washtenaw County Sheriff's Cmdr. Deiter Heren said.

When she opened the door, a man forced his way in and pointed a gun at her while demanding money. The woman scuffled with the man until he ran off. She suffered minor injuries.

A Michigan State Police tracking dog tracked the man to a nearby intersection, where he likely entered a vehicle, Heren said.

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than those who just go along with the attacker. Lucky her, it's good that she was alright. Wonder if the guy was ever caught.

If being attacked with a weapon though I always prefer to be at least as well armed as whoever might be attacking me, that is generally a sound strategy if you have the option.

David

Roll your own statistics at WISQARS. You may surprise yourself, and you will certainly come up with information more defensible than pulling pseudo-statistics out of thin air.

http://webapp.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate.html

instead of negligent shootings?

Did you mean how many accidents are actually cover ups for "intentional" shootings?

Couple years ago the Army dropped the term "accidental discharge". It is now always "negligent discharge" unless a mechanical failure is proven as the the reason for the weapon firing.

Anytime the gun goes bang when you didn't intend it to it is an negligent discharge.

But you have the right idea. Most shootings reported by the media to be "accidents" are negligent instead of accidental.

while being shot at himself.