I have a question...

My boss was just telling me that he went in a gun store to get some magazines and the owner told him that President Obama, was going to make all gun owners register all of their guns and get licensed as "collectors".
Now I read du everyday, and as much as people question certain decisions, you would think that something like that would be posted.
I looked on Snopes.com, nothing there either. I think it's a lie, the owner also had him sign a petition to stop the president from doing this.
I think this is a lie, solely because of the state I live in.
If anybody has any info on this I would be ever so grateful!

Obama (while in IL Senate) voted to fund more gun control initiatives, one of which was expanding the existing registry of guns in the state.

The hyperbole comes from assuming that he'll push the same measures on the country.

This is taken from the urban policy section of whitehouse.gov



http://www.whitehouse.gov/agenda/urban_policy/

Repealing the tiahrt amendment _could_ lead to a de facto registry of all firearms purchased.

ed: fixed formatting, added link

that is exactly what I was looking for.

a labeled a collector when purchasing a gun? I mean, obviously, you are not a cop... so, if you buy guns for "fun" and "hobby".. what's the problem of being called a "collector"?

A "collector" requires a special federal firearms license (FFL Type 03) for "Curio and Relic", and they face more paperwork and overhead. They have to allow the BATFE into their house to 'inspect' the firearms, for example.

I just couldn't believe my ears.

fun? - i don't get it.. what is the issue with when buying a gun being called a "collector"?

As X_digger pointed out, "collector" in the context of gun ownership has a special legal meaning and entails more and intrusive government oversight. People who use firearms recreationally or buy a gun for protection really don't need that level of oversight.

I'm in no way a gun nut (although I enjoyed shooting cans and other targets with a .22 rifle as a kid), do not currently own a gun and have no real desire to in the future. I also support strict gun ownership laws and background checks but moving most people into that special collector category would be over-zealous in my opinion.

There is a lot of BS going around the gun community. A lot of people still have bad memories of the 1994 AWB and are worried about that, a lot of people selling guns are taking advantage of that as well.

It's just like the 500% tax on ammo, unsubstantiated and most likely won't happen.

when, by all reports, it was completely ineffective? All it really did was cause a spike in gun sales. So what's to worry about?

along with a drastic increase in price for those that are/were available.

The loss of desirable features like bayo lugs, flash supressors, collapsible stocks and regular capacity mags also sucked. (and still does here in NY)

The abstract one? Kind of like the story of how do you boil a frog? Turn the heat up slowly. How do you ban guns? Turn up the heat slowly- ban 'scary' looking guns, then not so scary looking guns that use the same caliber ammunition as the scary ones, then.. etc etc. I don't have any faith that a new AWB would be a carbon copy of the '94 one. While the '94 one was easy to circumvent, H.R. 1022 and the like actually have teeth that would effectively ban these guns.









Oh and the personal reason? They're already expensive enough that I have to hide the receipts from the wife. My marriage can't take a 20-50% hike in prices!! :)

Because we all need to ban "the thing that goes up" on civilian rifles.......

brothers and sisters in Kalifornia, for all intent it still exists there.

Ever seen what a "Kali-legal" semi-auto AK looks like?

The leading Democrats in Congress are avoiding the issue.

Of course the gun store owner will tell you that Obama is a gun owners worst nightmare.

The Outdoor Wire, the largest news service for outdoor sports in the U.S., named Obama its 2008 Gun Salesman of the Year, stating fears of increased gun regulation are leading consumers to stockpile guns while they are still available.

Kyle Hue, a dealer selling firearms and ammunition at a gun show Saturday at the Copper Kettle restaurant in Ashland, said ammunition has been hard to come by recently.

"A lot of it's hard to get," Hue said. "It's sold within a few days."

Government statistics show many Americans are deciding the time is right to purchase a firearm. The number of FBI background checks, a way to approximate U.S. gun sales, increased in 2008. In November, background checks shot up 42 percent from 2007.
http://www.themaneater.com/stories/2009/3/9/gun-sales-increase-fear-new-policies/

Gun shops and dealers are a fetid breeding ground for paranoid right-wing nutbaggery and rumors entirely without substance. Not to mention that a lot of those people seem to know little or nothing about actual guns and ammunition. :eyes:

My Driver's Ed. teacher in high school was a gun shop owner and self-styled Libertarian philosopher who ate up every single paranoid conspiracy theory relating to gun ownership and the government. The idiot literally accidentally shot one of his friend's fingers off one day hunting in the woods.

I'll agree with you on the fact that they're breeding grounds for rumors(not all are without substance) but all of the gunshops I've been in, the owners are extremely knowledgeable about guns and ammo(as that is their trade). They might stretch the truth a bit to make a sale, but that's a given.

Unless you're refering to the people that visit the gun shop... in which case you would be right.

Or maybe the combination of a couple idiots and some of the stories I've heard told have colored my perceptions.

It's amazing what people can come up with really. Even from the shop owners. I know one guy behind the counter at tri-state was convinced that BO was going to instate an AWB Via Executive order.

Though I do have to laugh a bit when shops have a framed picture of BO saying "employee of the month" :P

We in "the culture" call them "gun shop commandos." These are the guys that give a lot of people a bad name. They seem especially likely to be working at or hanging around "chain" type outdoor shops. Fortunately, there is another side to the gun shop. A lot of shops are run by knowledgeable guys and gals that are actually familiar with the regulations to which they are held, and if they talk about a rumor, they will tell you it is a rumor. Heck, sometimes they even help you figure out what kind of gun actually fills your particular needs/wants!

Problem is, lots of them believe the tripe.

HR45, that would require all handguns and many semi-autos to be licensed & registered. Owners would need the federal license (or an approved state equivalent) to own one of these types, and all future purchases would be registered.

All future transcations of these weapons would have to go thru a dealer.

This could be what your dealer was referring to.(??)

antis will still praise it.