The "Pink Pistols" Peculiar "Enemies List"

The supposedly gay group of gun owners, the Pink Pistols, have their own enemies list. And what a peculiar list it is!

http://www.pinkpistols.org/antigun.html

The stridently anti-gay Family Research Council mysteriously seem to be OKAY with the Pink Pistols... so does the stridently anti-gay American Family Association…
...as does the stridently anti-gay Free Congress Foundation. So is Dobson's stridently anti-gay Focus on the Family group....not a murmur of complaint from the Pink Pistols for any of those groups.

On the other hand they seem to hate the ACLU, which has fought for gay rights. They hate the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, which has come out strongly for gay rights.
The Episcopal Church…currently under fire for consecrating an openly gay bishop? The Pink Pistols HATE the Episcopal Church.

Jerry Falwell, who blamed gay people for 9/11...he's okay with them though. Not a word against Jerry Falwell, or Pat Robertson.

Crazy old Phyllis Schafly, who hates gays with a white hot passion...the Pink Pistols seem to think she's just aces. Tony Scalia is a bigoted old turd, but he doesn’t make the Pink Pistols enemies list.

On the other hand, they can’t stand Anne Heche, Debbie Reynolds, Bette Midler AND Barry Manilow. What's up with THAT, do you suppose?

Arlen Lindner of Minnesota, who claimed gays were responsible for the worst of World War 2 (oh yes he did)…
http://www.equality.org.za/news/2003/03/12arlon.htm
…doesn’t make the Pink Pistols hate list. Barbara Boxer, who has fought for gay and lesbian rights tirelessly, did make the enemies list.

Bigoted Rick Santorum, who compared gay rights to "man on dog sex" is just dan-dan-dandy to the Pink Pistols, who DO save their hatred for…..Barbra Streisand.

Bigoted Pat Buchanan complained publicly, "Rampant homosexuality, a sign of cultural decadence and moral decline from Rome to Weimar, is celebrated, as our first lady parades up Fifth Avenue to share her ‘pride’ in a lifestyle ruinous to body and soul alike." Pat's not on the list, but Hillary Clinton, the first lady Pat condemned for her association with gays, IS.

Even nutty old Fred "Mr. Rogers is in hell" Phelps is okey-dokey with the Pink Pistols...but not Barney Frank.

Jeeze, you don't suppose this could be yet another sham group of right wing loonies pretending to be what they are not, do you?

It's obviously a list of anti-gun people and organizations.

Being on the list does not mean the Pink Pistols think you are a bad person or organization.

Not being on the list does not mean the Pink Pistols think you are a good person or organization.

The Pink Pistols, like most normal people, are apparently able to separate gun rights from other issues. They do not accept the Package Deal fallacies that the gun-grabber "crowd" are promoting.

They're not saying that anti-gun people are bad, merely that they are anti-gun.

MrBenchley, you are the originator of the idea that the page is meant to be an "enemies list". The Pink Pistols themselves call it "LIST of ANTI-GUN, GROUPS, ORG’s, COMPANIES, PRODUCTS & PEOPLE". Your editorializing misconstrues the purpose of the list.

MrBenchley opined:

...who DO save their hatred for…..Barbra Streisand.

I believe you are projecting your own propensity to hate people who disagree with you on a political issue. The list is not of people the Pink Pistols hate, it's a list of people who oppose gun owners' rights.

Even nutty old Fred "Mr. Rogers is in hell" Phelps is okey-dokey with the Pink Pistols...

You'd have to ask the Pink Pistols for an authoritative response to that statement, but offhand I'd say it's probably a Straw Man.

The existence of a list is a de-facto way of saying that these people are bad. You don't make a blacklist just to get your message across; blakclists are intended to harm (financailly or otherwise).

The Pink Pistols are f**kheads--they're like Log Cabin Repukes--just because they're gay doesn't mean you have to have a brain.

Yes, I am gay, so sue me.

That site had a list of people who either performed abortions or supported abortion rights, and blatantly encouraged people to KILL them.

Calling the Pink Pistols' list a "black list" is an insult to the victims of real black lists.

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That a particular behavior is harmful to the party doing the boycott. The desired outcome is a change in behavior.

Back in the 1960s and '70s the United Farm Workers union encouraged people to boycott grapes. They weren't saying that grapes were bad or that grape farmers were bad people, rather that grape farmers were mistreating farmworkers.

The grape boycott resulted in greatly improved working conditions for farmworkers in California.

BTW your typing gets screwy when you're flustered.

"We're gun nuts pretending to be gay people..."

You apparently believe a person cannot simultaneously be gay and pro-RKBA.

That's a Package Deal Fallacy if I ever saw one, and it makes very little sense if you actually believe pro-RKBA people to be homophobic. I personally know many openly gay gun owners. I recently helped one pick out a handgun.

I find it hard to believe there's a gay person who objects to Barney Frank but not to Fred Phelps. I somehow suspect most sane people do, too.

"it makes very little sense if you actually believe pro-RKBA people to be homophobic."
Actually, what better way to try to weasel out of that, than to create a phony "gay gunowners group" to spout the same tired dishonest rhetoric as the NRA? And it's not like the NRA hasn't created phony groups before....

"Democratic nominee for Attorney General Lisa Madigan today called on Joe Birkett to demand that deceptive ads financed by a phony group claiming to represent police officers be taken off the Illinois airwaves.
Joining Senator Madigan at a news conference to urge Birkett to insist that the so-called Law Enforcement Association of America (LEAA) pull the ads were Mark Donahue, President of the Chicago Fraternal Order of Police (FOP), and Allen Bennett, Legislative Counsel for the Illinois Fraternal Order of Police.
The LEAA claims to be "the largest coalition of law enforcement officers, crime victims, and concerned citizens" in America, but few of its 65,000 members are involved in law enforcement. The group will not disclose its membership.
Although the LEAA refuses to release details of its funding sources, the available facts clearly show the organization’s extensive ties to and complete dependence on the NRA. The National Rifle Association provided a $100,000 grant to start the LEAA in 1991. Every year, the NRA funnels at least $50,000 to the LEAA -- which constitutes 50 percent or more of the group’s yearly income. Moreover, the LEAA’s board, staff and executive director all held previous positions with the NRA. The LEAA’s initial purpose was to lobby against the Brady gun safety bill at a time when the NRA found itself "largely abandoned by mainstream police organizations," according to the National Journal."

http://www.lisamadigan.org/press_pages/FOPvsLEAA.htm

Do you think every list of boycott targets produced by a gay civil rights group that specifically supports the RKBA must necessarily include every anti-gay individual on the planet, even ones who have never expressed an opinion on the RKBA?

Do you believe gay people are not capable of nuanced, complex opinions?

BTW nice try at a Red Herring with the LEAA. Even if the NRA does produce fake pro-RKBA groups and the LEAA is one of them it does not prove the Pink Pistols to be the same.

How come nnot a single anti-gay individual or organization is on that list?

"Do you believe gay people are not capable of nuanced, complex opinions?"
Yeah, I do....I doubt there's one of them as obsessed and single-minded as the average gun nut.

"Even if the NRA does produce fake pro-RKBA groups and the LEAA is one of them it does not prove the Pink Pistols to be the same."
Gee, did I say it proved it? All I said is that this made it smell to high heaven.

And have you actually gone through the list in detail to verify that every one of those individuals is not anti-Gay?

I haven't even heard of most of the names there.

Hand us another laugh, MrBenchley.

Who are you trying to kid now?

"A pastoral letter released today by the U.S. Catholic Conference encouraging families to accept their gay loved ones and reaffirming the basic human rights of gay people was welcomed by the Human Rights Campaign as an important step forward on the road to ending discrimination based on sexual orientation."

http://www.qrd.org/qrd/orgs/HRC/1997/welcomes.catholic.pastoral.letter-10.01.97

Let us know when the US Catholic Conference says that gay sex and gay marriage are OK.

Send up a flare for us when the Catholic Church starts ordaining openly gay clergy people. Or women for that matter.

Question: So how is it the US Catholic Conference is singled out, but the even more stridently anti-gay Focus on the Family isn't?
Answer:Focus on the Family is a bunch of right wing lunatics and this group is as phony as the rest of the gun rights argument..

Try doing a little research before you spout off like this.

although that seems to have escaped notice of the "Pink Pistols"....wonder why?

And that's why it's so surprising that the Pink Pistols would thing they're OK.

As far as I'm concerned, Focus is as bad as the NRA - they both support the GOP, and the world would be better off without either organization.

for Focus on the Family, or anybody else who's a right wing bigot.

Are you surprised? I'm not surprised.

:evilgrin:

But I'm sure they could figure it out for themselves.

The fact that a person or group does not appear on their list of anti-gun people and organizations cannot be construed as the Pink Pistols saying that person or group is "OK".

:eyes:

...I'd say I'm in pretty good company. And being that the list is so long, perhaps MrBenchley is correct when he says that a majority of Americans favor gun control.

"Send up a flare for us when the Catholic Church starts ordaining openly gay clergy people."

The Roman Catholic church doesn't ordain openly heterosexual clergy either.

aren't they?

LOL!

There is a Catholic Priest here locally that is married and has children. He was ordained AFTER he was married and had children.

Are you seriously suggesting that a Catholic seminary student who declared openly that he was sexually attracted to men could ever become ordained?

here on DU naming advertisers on Sean Hannity. I know Sean Hannity is an ass, but I fail to see the difference.

What's the difference between Sean Hannity and a sane non-bigoted person?

saying one is bad because you don't like the people doing it and one is good because you like the people who are doing it does not sound very ethical to me.

Guess that's more of that RKBA "logic." Glad I don't have any.

That about sums it up.

I can tell the difference between people working for progress and tolerance and a racist turd like Sean Hannity.

The "Pink Pistols" don't seem the least bit perturbed by folks who say they have no right to exist....just by those who say they ought to pass a background check before buying a gun.

Where do the Pink Pistols say they are opposed to background checks?

It seems as obvious as the sun...

"Being on the list does not mean the Pink Pistols think you are a bad person or organization."
Is THAT why they want to boycott those people?

Not to cause harm to the person or organization who is being boycotted.

If Senator Boxer softened her anti-gun stance sufficiently she'd probably be taken off the list.

If Fred Phelps announced that gay people should not be allowed to own guns I'd bet a bucket of beer he'd be on it in a heartbeat.

"If Fred Phelps announced that gay people should not be allowed to own guns I'd bet a bucket of beer he'd be on it in a heartbeat."
But instead he announces they should drrop dead and go to hell.....and the "gay Pink Pistols" don't bat an eye....

Too TOO funny...the amazing thing is that somebody thought ANYbody was dumb enough to swallow this bilge...

It doesn't seem odd in the least to me that a group of gay gun-rights advocates could exist and that it could create a list of anti-RKBA peoples and organizations.

Has it occurred to you that an individual member of the Pink Pistols might also despise everything Fred Phelps stands for? That a member of the Pink Pistols might also be a member of a GAY rights organization?

Your black & white thinking is kind of amusing but it's also a little scary, MrBenchley.

and this gun rights stuff WASN'T bigotry hiding behind a mask.

"Has it occurred to you that an individual member of the Pink Pistols might also despise everything Fred Phelps stands for?"
Gee, then it shouldn't be too hard for you to go to the Pink Pistols website and back that up IF IT WERE TRUE.

I know there are both straights and gays at DU that despise everything Fred Phelps stands for. I can back that up too.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=194817

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=192123

"That a member of the Pink Pistols might also be a member of a GAY rights organization?"
Gee, and this theoretical member doesn't wonder why Barney Frank is on the blacklist but Fred Phelps isn't?

Just because a person does not say they despise Fred Phelps at every possible opportunity does not mean they do not despise Fred Phelps.

Gee, then it shouldn't be too hard for you to go to the Pink Pistols website and back that up IF IT WERE TRUE.

Illogical. You are asking me to prove a negative.

<Red Herring links ignored>

Gee, and this theoretical member doesn't wonder why Barney Frank is on the blacklist but Fred Phelps isn't?

It's really quite simple, MrBenchley:

Barney Frank is anti-RKBA. That is indisputable. The fact that he is openly gay does not exempt him from being on the boycott list of a gay pro-RKBA organization.

Fred Phelps has never stated an opinion on RKBA AFAIK. Let us know when he says he's anti-RKBA or against gay people owning guns.

"Just because a person does not say they despise Fred Phelps at every possible opportunity does not mean they do not despise Fred Phelps."
Jeepers, but when NO anti-gay groups are criticized in even the slightest? That stinks like high tide in a busy harbor. Every possibility, my eye...

"You are asking me to prove a negative."
No...I am asking you to show us ANYTHING on this "Pink Pistols" website that criticizes anyone anywhere who is even slightly anti-gay.

"Barney Frank is anti-RKBA. That is indisputable. The fact that he is openly gay does not exempt him from being on the boycott list of a gay pro-RKBA organization."
Gee, but it sure makes it DAMN strange that he and loads of other pro-gay people and groups are being criticized by a supposedly gay website that seems utterly and blissfully unconcerned by anti-gay individuals and groups that say they have no right to even exist. Especially when it is a website touting the issue that some of the most bigoted people in America (including many anti-gay ones) have seized as their own. And especially when the largest and loudest group of those bigots has a penchant for phony websites and fake groups.

I'd say the US Catholic Conference is one of the largest anti-Gay organizations in the history of the world.

But be sure and keep peddling this silliness....it only reinforces what an utterly phony organization this is.

"LIST of ANTI-GUN, GROUPS, ORG’s, COMPANIES, PRODUCTS & PEOPLE:"

It doesn't say
"LIST of ANTI-GAY, GROUPS, ORG’s, COMPANIES, PRODUCTS & PEOPLE:"

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Do you think that's why this phony is calling for a boycott....because he DOESN'T think they're bad?

Ri-i-i--i-i-i-i-ight.

Are you unable to distinguish between hating a person and being critical of that person's behavior?

Is everything in BenchleyWorld(TM) either black or white?

Too too funny, slack.

So this bunch is not at all critical of Jerry Falwell blaming 9/11 on them, but entirely bent out of shape by the American Academy of Pediatricians telling parents not to keep guns where toddlers can reach them?

Uh-HUH.

Let us know when he does.

but as long as he peddles this gun rights crrap he's NOT a bigoted turd and okay with the Pink Pistols?

Ho-kay....

Nothing that I can recall.

Got a cite?

It's always foul weather when scum gets together....

"On October 27, National Rifle Association Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre appeared on Dr. Jerry Falwell’s Listen America television talk show.
Following the Listen America broadcast, Mr. LaPierre presented Dr. Falwell with a framed certificate recognizing the Lynchburg, Va., pastor’s “life membership” in the NRA."

http://www.nljonline.com/December2000/NRA.htm

Send letters to Jerry Falwell and Fred Phelps asking whether or not they think homosexuals should be allowed to own guns.

And if either or both of them say "No", pass their reply on to the Pink Pistols and see if they update their list accordingly.

:freak:

I'll leave that to the gun nuts.....

Emails sent to Fred Phelps' Webmaster and to Jerry Falwell's personal email.

I will pass on any replies to this forum.

Benchley is a Chicken!

Benchley is a Chicken!

:evilgrin:

to know they're bigoted pieces of shit?

I find that as funny as the idea that their hatred and bigtory is okey-dokey with the "Pink Pistols "as long as they let people skip background checks at gun shows.

You missed your chance.

You will be known as a chicken for life.

I find that as funny as the idea that their hatred and bigtory is okey-dokey with the "Pink Pistols "as long as they let people skip background checks at gun shows.

Objection - Assumes facts not in evidence and you have created another Straw Man:

The Pink Pistols have not stated their opinion of either Phelps or Falwell, nor have they expressed objection to background checks at gun shows.

The Pink Pistols don't seem to give a rats' ass about people who hate gays...just about people who work for gun control....almost all of whom are FOR gay rights.

Jeeze, you don't suppose this could be yet another sham group of right wing loonies pretending to be what they are not, do you?

Sort of like the Claremont Institute's phony doctors group? Or the NRA's phony law enforcement group? Or the GOP's black Republicans group?

The Pink Pistols don't seem to give a rats' ass about people who hate gays...

How many Pink Pistols members have you asked about how they feel about Fred Phelps?

I think you should do a little more research before making such unfounded statements.

Show us ANYTHING on their site even mildly critical about any of the loudmouthed right wing bigots who hate gays.

The Pink Pistols is a pro-RKBA site, not an anti-loudmouthed-right-wing-bigots-who-hate-gays site.

I guess you are having some trouble accommodating their existence into your world-view.

can figure out this is a phony NRA shell organization by now. Nice of you to admit it thoughj.

"I guess you are having some trouble accommodating their existence into your world-view."
Hell no! I told YOU the right wing loonies love these kind of phony groups. Look at the LEAA and the Doctors For More Gunshot Wounds, or whatever that knot of nutcases call themselves.....

All pro-RKBA groups are controlled by the NRA.

Pink Pistols = Wayne LaPierre with a Metrosexual makeover

JPFO = Closet Nazis wearing jarmulkes and writing comic books.

Black Man With A Gun = Charlton Heston in blackface.

Second Amendment Sisters = Larry Pratt, John Lott, and Ted Nugent in drag. Lott of course insists on being addressed as "Mary".

and his study turned out to be horseshit. That's not my fault, slack. But it IS funny as hell.

http://www.whoismaryrosh.com/

The LEAA IS a phony group created by the NRA, just as the gun nuts at the Claremont Institiute used the dough they got from the Olin family and a bunch of other right wing loonies to create "Doctors for More Gunshot Wounds" or whatever the hell that cockamamie phony group calls itself.

http://www.mediatransparency.org/search_results/info_on_any_recipient.php?72

Just like Colonel Caraccilo wrote those letters from Iraq...

http://truthout.org/docs_03/101503F.shtml

It's not even particularly convincing...

"Pink Pistols = Wayne LaPierre with a Metrosexual makeover"
Yup. Occam's razor came in useful here.

n/t

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Looks like you picked your own hot-button issue here.

Why is it so hard for you to accept that a gay person could be pro-RKBA or that a list of boycott targets is not a list of people to be hated?

Why do you hate gun owners so much MrBenchley? What harm did a gun owner ever do to you?

It's amazing how transparently dishonest this RKBA stuff is.....

MrBenchley you seem to be implying that Pink Pistols are some kind of front organization, or perhaps not really gay. I met some of them at a local Young Democrats auxiliary meeting once. They seemed on the level to me. They said Matthew Shepard might not have died had be been armed. Even if they did kill him in the end, he would have taken a couple of his attackers with him. They certianly had no love for the (so-called) Reverend Phelps. They certianly did not apologize for being either gay or armed. :)

According to their blacklist, they're boycotting the College Democrats of America....guess even their tiny membership is ignoring the parent organization.

"you seem to be implying that Pink Pistols are some kind of front organization, or perhaps not really gay."
Jeepers...I suppose if you read between the lines, it might seem that it's doubtful that a gay group would be utterly unopposed to people who say they have no right to live. Especially since they're all bent out of shape about openly gay Barney Frank wanting to ban assault weapons, just as most of America does except for a tiny knot made up of mostly anti-gay right wing loonies. Wonder why that is?

We have a lot of openly gay DUers...wonder how many of them have ever met a member of this group.

"They said Matthew Shepard might not have died had be been armed. Even if they did kill him in the end, he would have taken a couple of his attackers with him."
Or his attackers might have shot him and a bunch of innocent bystanders if THEY'd have had guns.

Or the Lone Ranger might have rode in on Silver and rescued him in time if the Lone Ranger had been real.

Or the Lone Ranger and Tonto might have come out of the closet all those years ago and then there'd be more acceptance of gays today.

Or it might be just a coincidence that this supposedly gay group targets nobody but progressive or liberal mostly pro-gay groups and individuals without even saying boo about the rabidly anti-gay right wing loonies all over the place, and that it's not a screaming honking tip-off that this group is as real as all those letters to the editor about how swell things are in Iraq.

Not all gays think the way you do, or the way you assume they should.

Nowhere does it say on their website "we support only conservative causes...." or "Conservative gays only" or "Free pass for right wing gay-haters here". Guess the suspicions about this being a phony front like the LEAA are true...

Koresh, even the Log Cabin Republicans don't have a problem mildly criticizing Jerry Falwell or Focus on the Family for their anti-gay remarks.....

http://www.lcr.org/press/20011017.asp

http://www.lcr.org/press/20010904.asp

But then there's no doubt that the Log Cabin Republicans is a real organization, either.

Look for the link "Lobbying to Liberals".

I think its rather obvious that the Pink Pistols are a conservative group.

But then there's no doubt that the Log Cabin Republicans is a real organization, either.

So you can accept that gay people can be Republican but not that they can support the right to keep and bear arms. That seems inconsistent with your oft-repeated claims that the NRA is a subsidiary of the GOP.

Wouldn't it be easier for you to just take the position that the Pink Pistols must be closet Nazis? Or just plain loony?

I don't really care how you deal with the cognitive dissonance. If outright denial works best for you that's fine with me.

A right wing piece of shit think tank with the usual crowd of idiots like Neal Knox.

http://www.northbridgetraining.com/home.html

Too too funny. The closer you look,, the phonier it gets.

I'm surprised you couldn't figure it out by yourself.

trrying to pretend the "Pink Pistols" was a real group. But it turns out to be as phony as LEAA, or Saddams WMDs, or Mission Accomplished.

I've met some Pink Pistols members. They gave me no reason to suspect that they were not gay.

There's no chapter in New Jersey but there is one in NYC. The most active groups are in the San Francisco Bay Area and Southern CA.

Click to the chapter in NYC, and you get

"Welcome to
THE NEW YORK CITY PINK PISTOLS WEBSITE
This page is currently under construction. Please contact the New York City group for more information at nyc@pinkpistols.org. "

http://www.pinkpistols.com/local/nyc/index.html

But hey, gun nuts are generally looked at with scorn by New York city dwellers...

Let's try a more gun friendly part of the country...like, oh, Asheville (they spelled it wrong and wouldn't a group IN Asheville know that?) NC...

"Welcome to
THE ASHVILLE, NC PINK PISTOLS WEBSITE
This page is currently under construction. Please contact the Ashville group for more information at ashville@pinkpistols.org. "

http://www.pinkpistols.com/local/ashville/index.html

Baltimore?

"Welcome to
THE BALTIMORE PINK PISTOLS WEBSITE
This page is currently under construction. Please contact the Baltomore group for more information at baltimore@pinkpistols.org. "

http://www.pinkpistols.com/local/baltimore/index.html

(Again, wouldn't you think a real group of people with nuanced, complex opinions in Baltimore would know how to SPELL Baltimore?)

New Mexico (guess they didn't want to risk A-l-b-u-q-u-e-r-q-u-e)?

"Welcome to
THE NEW MEXICO PINK PISTOLS WEBSITE
This page is currently under construction. Please contact the New Mexico group for more information at newmexico@pinkpistols.org"

http://www.pinkpistols.com/local/nm/index.html

St. Louis MO.?

"Welcome to
THE ST LOUIS PINK PISTOLS WEBSITE
This page is currently under construction. Please contact the St Louis group for more information at
StLouis@pinkpistols.org. "

http://www.pinkpistols.com/local/stlouis/index.html

Or the Lone Ranger might have rode in on Silver...

Or the Lone Ranger and Tonto might have come out of the closet...

What if, what if, what if.

Maybe had Shepard been had been armed nothing would have been different. Even so, does he not have the right to try to fight back against a group of people who are going to beat him senseless and leave him for dead? There's no way to say if things would have turned out for the best, but why deprive him of a fighting chance? This is what I disagree with the most. Putting aside your mantra of 'right wing loonies' and 'gun nuts full of shit' for a moment, what moral reason do we have to deprive someone like Shepard the chance to defend himself? Shepard was certianly not the first and he will not be the last gay man so bashed. Is it worse for gay men to have the right to arm themselves? Is it better for a gay man to be committing a crime to own a gun? Even the victim doesn't escape, better that one of the bashers be shot to death by his victim. Likely that is sterner punishment than what the assailants received from the courts. Life in prison, in Shepard's case.

However, let me venture to guess what your reply will be. Instead of explaining why any man, not just a gay man in particular, should not own a gun you are going to say I am echoing right wing propagana, perhaps you'll post that link from the Ku Kluck Klan. Cluck cluck. What a bunch of chickens they are, however, that doesn't dissuade you from using them as a reason Matt Shepard shouldn't own a gun. Ironically, the Kluckers are the kind of people who lionize Shepard's killers not the kind of people who would allow Shepard to arm himself. The Ku Kluck Klan is glad another fag is dead. bluntly put. They do not care for Shepard's rights. Unless you can find it in your heart to agree Shephard has a right to defend himself, you don't either. No person, gay or not, deserves to be beaten within an inch of life and tied to a fencepost. People have the right to self-defense, but as Dr. King said a right delayed is a right denied. What good is the right to self defense without the means to self defense?

:toast:

What if and sidetrack all you want. It doesn't make this anything but a transparently phony group of right wing gun nuts....

" Ironically, the Kluckers are the kind of people who lionize Shepard's killers"
And the NRA is trying to appeal to both groups....and then putting out this phony website to try and hide it. And doing a piss-poor job of it too.